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Questing Ring

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by iara, Jul 22, 2018.

Would you like a "Quest Ring"

  1. Yes

    37 vote(s)
    66.1%
  2. No

    19 vote(s)
    33.9%
  1. iara
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    We have a Monster Book ring. How about a quest ring? The server already counts the number of quests completed by people in an effective manner.

    A quest ring would help making HP Wash not such a BIG issue, and it would increase the price of several quest items! It would give people another thing to do in the game.

    Instead of using gems to upgrade it we can use minerals. I think it would be a decent idea. As for the NPC who gives this quest and upgrades the rings, maybe it could be the job instructors? Each job instructor would talk about how "even if you are a carefree adventurer, your exploits will not go unrecognized" or something like that? I think it would be pretty neat.

    Questing as always been a big part of Maplestory but, as big as it is, it has never been properly recognized.
     
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  2. SYLegend
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    SYLegend Dark Stone Golem

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    Voted no. The ring for card sets made sense because there was no other reward for collecting them and so the ring is the only reward.
    But quests already give you very good rewards like scrolls/(3x)experience etc.
    Imo there is no reason to give even more rewards than vanilla v62 if the rewards are already good enough.
     
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  3. mosshroom
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    I like this idea, thought of something like it as soon as monsterbook stuff got released. There are some quests that give good rewards, but the large majority doesn't. And even though it's 3x exp, most of the time you are better off just grinding. Would give more incentive for people to get engaged in lore and somthing to do while collecting cards/grinding.
     
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  4. Midnight
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    I think it's a good idea, but there's a difference-
    When monsterbook was released, nobody had any decks completed.
     
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  5. DrJason
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    I like the idea but I don't think it should be on the same level as the Monster Book Ring, not even close. Like others have said quests inherently give their own rewards, but perhaps a statless (or low stat like +1) ring that one could wear as a trophy. I would dig that MapleF14
     
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    I need to remind everybody in this thread that, while some quests offer decent exp rewards, most of them still only give up to 3K-30K exp at high levels, even with x3. Some of them include outrageous things like traveling whole continents (I'm looking at you, Zipangu's quest-lines!)

    I'm mostly suggesting this to remove HP washing once and for all. This is a toxic "feature" that should not exist. Either that or massively buff the classes that need HP washing. Make a top-tier marksman or night lord be at least x5 more powerful than a top-tier mage or hero.

    You do not realize how bad of a thing HP washing is. And rings like monster one help alleviate this glaring issue.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
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  7. jshyy
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    How about +20 hp/mp every 100 quests?
     
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  8. Luscious
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    The reason I suggest a ring it's because that would be a lot easier to implement. (The server already tracks the amount of completed quests and we even have a ranking for it in the page).

    Unless you are talking about that being tier rings. I would have no problems with that, and I think it would be more than fair. There are around 1200 quests or so, and the top quester only has done 1055.




    Feel more than free of telling me why am I wrong.
    I think that having to do HP wash just to be able to face stuff other classes can is unfair. It's not like Night Lords and Marksman are as powerful enough for such an ordeal to even be "fair".
     
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  11. shot
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    Because there has already been long discussion regarding this whole hp washing situation. The server in general has been quiet (from what I heard) for past 3 years of up time, but people became vocal about it just now because other private server opening up with its unique washing system. I agree that it's not a good game mechanic, but I believe kimmy is trying her best to balance both people that have already washed and other people who are just getting into the game.

    Night lords are as stupidly as powerful it is in this version of maple. Even marksmans aren't consider as that bad, especially if they have right party buffs like SI. Hero is also known to have one of highest dps in the class so I do not see where your 5x statistics are coming from. Even if those classes are made more powerful, then what happens to other classes like pallys, shads, or buccs? That would further widen the class gap and would make situation worse.
     
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  12. OhDoggo
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    There have already been countless discussions on methods of alleviating HP-washing, and most solutions that were suggested, always had a downside or a possible consequence. Questing for a ring was also discussed at some point. You should really dig through the previous suggestions threads and see how and why so many different things were argued for and against to understand different peoples' perspectives.
     
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  13. Lionheart
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    I always loved the idea of just massively buffing hp/mp scrolls, and not make them so horribly useless.
     
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  14. Fishy
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    Some quests arent possible to do anymore, if you pass a specific level. for those who are in the top rankings, have a huge advantage and headstart. thats... kindve unfair
     
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    Unfair for rankings maybe. But a tiered ring would always keep that in check. The max tier would never be all of the quests completed. It would be far less than that. Like the monster book ring.

    Furthermore: A tiered ring, unlike the rankings, are NOT a competition. You will NOT be in any disadvantage just because someone else has been doing quests diligently, and gets a higher tier ring on release. There is literally no harm.


    I think the same. However someone mentioned somewhere that what would they do with items already scrolled and stuff like that.

    I think this thread is different enough. It raises the possibility of adding another tiered ring.
    We have 4 rings slots anyway. They have to be filled with something, right?

    I do not see how extra rings would affect people who have already washed tho. If anything, it would benefit them. They would have way more HP for future end-game content. No on would lose here.
     
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  16. Lionheart
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    Well it's usually pretty easy to figure out what kind of scrolls succeeded by looking at slots available, the number of + the item has, and the HP. I'd wager a small minority of items scrolled for HP are of significant meaning and value to most people. Perhaps we could have scripts to figure out how to change the HP values on currently scrolled items. It's also an extremely simple solution if we merely multiplied the HP gains on HP scrolls by, say, a factor of 5 or 10. In any case, we shouldn't let them stop us from improving an underused system that could actually solve some of our problems.

    On another note with questing, I notice a problem with the whole quest ranking system is that certain quests exist that are only available if you haven't fully completed them. Typically, these quests occur when you purposely drop the quest item and have to be reissued a new one. And most of the time, little to no effort is required to regain the item. I just can't understand why anyone would be rewarded for purposely botching/redoing a quest.
     
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    I thought the Medals that GMS came out with not too long after v.83 were a nice addition (later made terrible with Event Medals and Family Medals that were way OP). The questing medal was given if you completed 800 quests. It gave +3 All Stats, +10 Jump & Avoid. If it included +100 HP or so, I think that would be okay - as far as helping to deal with HP washing. But anything more intricate than this would be too complicated. I don't mind other select Medals to enter MapleLegends, but definitely not all of them. Any that are OP (Legendary Hunter Medal), or required ridiculous behavior (Donor Medals, Diligent Explorer Medal), or outright stupid (Vanquisher Medals) should definitely be excluded from MapleLegends. This would require a lot of coding to make happen on a .62 platform, too. I do agree with you, there should be some extra incentives to do quests, and if it could help reduce the need for HP washing the better, but I think it wise not to go too far with quests - I think it could upset the balance of the game if not done properly.

    https://bbb.hidden-street.net/eq/medal/quest-specialist-medal

    Off Topic: I'm still advocating turning Zakum Helmets into Zakum Rings so that level 50+ class helmets have an actual purpose in the game. Like Lionheart said above with HP scrolls having purpose, I also believe Weapon Defense on gear could be bolstered to mean something, too.
     
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  18. Nise
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    Questing ring with tiers... monkaS that’s gna bring “tears” to my face...

    MB Ring was a custom feature with dialogue and everything made from scratch. If we do a Questing ring that means some poor soul is gna have to write dialogue for every tier of your 1200+ quests that you go out to hunt...

    But practical issues aside, just throwing this out there, but is adding flat HP like this the solution to the washing problem? If we release things in the future that need more washing, does that mean we have to keep adding flat HP rings? I feel like the MB ring helps alleviate washing, but that shouldn’t be our decisive way to fix the HP washing issue of the server.

    ^ personal opinion btw
     
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  19. SYLegend
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    Kinda offtopic but I want to quote this to add some thoughts. I have a love/hate relationship with those missable quests. Like many other people I missed nearly all of those on my main quester because I didn't know at the time. There also was no quest ranking yet, so because those quests give no reward other than the +1 quest completed, I guess noone really cared. But I also like the thought of having secret, missable quests. If completing all the quests 100% just required you too do any quest that pops up in the available-tab it would just be another huge grind like the rest of maplestory. By having secret quests, it adds some unique challenge because you have to actually pay attention and look stuff up.
     
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  20. mosshroom
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    To elaborate further, I think the idea of rewarding questing is cool. Doesn’t have to be like the monsterbook ring which already gives alot of HP. Maybe more like Ellin one or something completely different.
     
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