Fixed expiring duration on Mastery Books

It might help with the cheap books but for the expensive ones wouldn’t people wait till books are about to expire before purchasing them at a super cheap because a desperate seller wants splits? Some splits is better than no splits?

 

This would most likely tank the market price for books even lower as expiring books have a predetermined depreciative value of 0.
If, for some reason, a book on the market that is about to expire sells for 20m, other people are going to see this and adjust their expected rate. This encourages buyers to hold onto their mesos and save in anticipation for a tanking market, which eventually drives the entire economy to shit.

You make a couple of assumptions:
1) The people who need MW20 have the ability to obtain a high amount of mesos for end-game books within a short period of time (2 weeks/expiration).
2) The people who have MW20 are compelled to sell their books immediately.

I could see this partially helping the economy for low cost/useless books if the expiration was increased to something like 3 months, but it would be absolutely detrimental for the high value books.

 

One way you could 'salvage' the market is by artificially adding a floor value to certain books by increasing their NPC cost.
If Gen30 was NPC-able for 80m, it would never drop below that price in the market.

 

Yeah, I think someone has pointed out that this will tank the price much much futher as seller won't want a MW20 book to expire (0 return) if they can sell it for very little value.

There is only so much demand and supply that we can play with, unless someone has more unique ideas.

 

u can also make new books untradable, similar to aca1 and angel ray1. this will force the market towards HT services

 

Horntail books aren't the only books in the game. Making books expiring would make books that are normally not valuable, but otherwise hard to obtain (things like dragon's breath 30 and monster magnet 30) impossibly annoying.

 

Expiring items also can’t be sold in shops and get dropped 1 by 1 which are both pretty lame imo. The book decreasing in value as time expires is a way bigger problem tho and why I never liked this solution. I’d rather have some increase to gach tickets from bosses or chance of cs/ws along with a decreased chance of getting them from gach. This would allow bossers to more easily produce them while reducing the production from mages which are both good things imo.

 

I think there should be a 1 time expiration put in for all books set to expire before a server check. Duration can be 2 weeks to 1 month. Then, there should be a server check, and during this server check drop rates should be reduced.

Post this change, the expiration dates can be removed.



If this is something that can't be done, simply lowering drop rates is fine. It will take some time before the prices for worthless books rise, but it will happen in the long run.

 

This reminds me the time when only few teams were possible to do successful HT run and tried to dominate HT book market.... which I really dont want to see again.

If you think HT isnt profitable anymore, then you can just retire HT also. For me, HT run loses mesos in average. (Since i multiclient like 4~5s and burn pots like hell, also 15+ men run since its kinda weekly guild meet-up ). If i consider about doing something else at that time, It goes worse even more. But i still love to do it bcz its fun. (And helping new guildies). This goes with reason why i never HT except that run.

Sorry to say, but i dont want see endgame peoples dominate HT market again. Yes, AGAIN

 

Its not really about dominating the market. At this point there are so many groups of people capable of doing HT that market domination is simply not possible. What I (and probably a lot of other runners too) want is for books other than genesis and mw to have SOME value, even if its only 5m.

 

You're right. Server condition when the day when some team dominated HT market, is completely different with nowadays. I remember when only Halcy and Demure sold HT books. Samvosh insisted fixed price for books, like 50m, since she worried for if we raise its price for our greed, it'll be bad idea for long-term life of server. and then, when halcy is dead, I heard blizz30 price skyrocked toward 300m or so, which was astonishing. (i was quit at that point.) Due to small population of this server, it would be possible to dominate and raise up price of HT books, I guess.

As you mentioned, condition of nowadays is completely different with those days. So many population, so many teams doing HT. I totally agree on that certain small group can't dominate HT market anymore in this large user pool, and it'll be great to get such 'minimum incoming limit' so we don't lose $ while bossing. I just hoped to point out that, no one can't sure current condition will be lasts forever. With current condition, your idea is really nice. I do agree. but conditions can be changed, and it can be double-edged sword if such stuffs happens. hoped to strike it.

btw, great suggestion, I can read OPs opinion and deep-thought about HT market. really impressive.

 

It's just the reality of an aging population. I started in the Covid era and remember having to buy TT30 at 5-7m. As the massive influx of new players died down, there isn't really a demand for those books anymore, sure some players are making their 30k washed NLs now, but it just doesn't compare to the amount of fresh players who joined back in March/April. Pair that with the covid players who did stick around getting to HT level, and you get the current situation of reduced demand and increased supply.

It might be too custom, but maybe a system where you have to "refresh" your mastery of a skill every 2 weeks/1 month/however long. The books could be 100% for the refresh tries, but at least it adds some more demand to the economy. Maybe restrict it to job specific skills, since people probably wouldn't want to drop 200m for MW20 every other week, but who knows that the price will stabilize at.

 

The problem with this is that demand for Chaos/White scrolls will always be relevant to any class and any type of player whereas the demand for skillbooks are entirely dependent on new players/characters with a one-time use. The demand is never consistent and thus causes the ever fluctuating prices for skillbooks. The reason why MW20 is priced so highly is that every character has use for it, while things like Gen30 are reliant on the bishop class (and meta, which currently favors the Mage + hs mule leechstory).

NPC-able books will create a floor, but it doesn't mean the market itself would go to 0 - it just creates artificial demand. If Gen30 was NPCable for 75m, the market price would float above it depending on the realistic demand. When market price deviates closer to NPC price indicating low demand, the supply will fall as more sellers opt for instant splits, bouncing the market price back up again.

As for the argument of inflation, doesn't a server that shifts from leeching to bossing more naturally lean towards its own meso sink?

 

The price of those class-specific book drop is due to the low demand. Just use snipe 30 and Berserk 30 as example, there are 14364 bowman but only 1547 marksman. And for Berserk 30, there are 33514 warrior but only 8030 Dark Knight. Same thing for shadow shifter 30 which both shad and NL need that, if more player play those class then the price definitely will go up.
If those class specific skill book become worthless it only shows that class is becoming non popular. I suggest we should take another approach by buffing those non-popular class someway to attract more people to play those class instead of becoming NL legend.

Edit: hmmm, maybe the ranking class count is broke or I'm using it wrong so those number might not be accurate

 

1 hour timer

 

For how precious time is and how long it takes to accomplish endgame goals in this game horntail is a waste of time, it's not good and as pointed out here it's not even decent.

Entertain theses questions:
How long it takes to do a perfect weapon? How long it takes to get 40~70 white scrolls? but for someone that relies on bossing and grinding. Heh.. if horntail is 8m/hour with a 5-man squad imagine the standard 6~12 man squads and if Horntail is like this imagine any other boss content that isn't Pink Bean. It's bad, and yeah this isn't quite the revelation, everyone knows that to accomplish these kind of goals you are better doing mages.

meh I certainly don't have big problems with this as I, like many of us, have accepted and adapted to the situation to have some progression. But I do think bossing should be better, like at least decent, horntail should be on par with what could it be selling petris/skeles. For how annoying that long ass prequest is and for how challenging the boss is, it deserves to be at least decent.

I wanna know if staff thinks bossing should be a decent way of making mesos though. Is this a concern? or It's just boring tryhard problems that are a non-issue. After all people can have FUN while simply enjoying the mechanics, being social and poor.