Silly colored letters thread where we discuss the diversity of classes at our disposal

Where's the "fun to play" category tho?

fyi I'm a semi-casual player and I haven't hit endgame yet so I don't have much to say, but nice chart!

 

How could you put shadower's survivability below warriors, show some respect to the most powerful class.

 

lol it's probably hard to rate fun because everyone's idea of fun is different!

bowmasters most fun class just saying

 

hmmmmm that feeling when you chose NL for your non-bossing, solo play quest character lol. Oh well I'm having fun
Cool to see your opinions on this, I love this kind of visual data. Thanks for sharing

 

That feeling when you main the worst horntail class.

Imo, corsair has the WORST survivability in the game. Yes, we have SLIGHTLY more HP than NL/Archer, but our avoid is SOOO much less.

Corsair survivability should be D, or at least C-. It is certainly less than nightlord.

As for NT, I would argue that corsair is S tier along with paladin. Other than dunas, I don't think any nightlord can white a corsair (assuming similar gear).

And lets be real, who in their right mind would want to fight dunaids?

 

Bandit training sucks ass until 70, after which it's fast but gimmicky and expensive and requires more focus than other jobs.
Paladin training sucks until 120. 70-120 is especially grueling because you'll be using the lvl 10 warrior skills where all other warriors have new skills at that point. White Knights also need to train at out of the way spots like Vikings to use their buffs optimally, so WKs are less likely to find training parties at optimal spots.
I/L and F/P are both very very nice for solo play, IMO the best in the game in that department. They have tankiness, damage, and mobility all built into their kit. The only thing they need is Holy Symbol, and not more than any other job except when selling leech.
I/L should absolutely be higher than F/P in terms of training though because pre-70, F/P training is absolutely brutal. I/L, on the other hand, is smooth sailing in all 4 jobs.

 

Paladins can potentially be A or A- for single target if you include bosses which have elemental weakness, I notice you said Corsairs play to their strengths, in that case a Paladin who fights mainly elemental bosses like Crow, Pianus, Scar/Targa, Neo Tokyo and so will have very high single target.

For Horntail I feel like DKs would be A+ since they have a reserved spot in it, same as Bishops or BM.

Paladins are easily S class for Neo Tokyo, on top of having no issue fighting any of them, they output high damage and don't even have to face tank bosses because of bad range anymore. They're basically the NL with SE in one.

Hero is probably B+ for Neo Tokyo, assuming A is for really good at and not just capable. Heros don't really excel at any end game content, but they do ok anywhere.

Hero party buff should be C-, rage is ok but ultimately easily replaceable. Even if Paladins have just as little utility to offer you at least cannot mimic Threaten.

Definitely think Shads should get an A+ for surviveability. Even with the lower HP pool that's only a concern for things that can straight kill them in one hit. Shifter is super strong and MG doubles up HP and blocks 1/1 deaths, and although assassinate is currently the best method of damage if they would be using B Step they also get the I-frames.

On that note I would also argue Night Lord should be B+ in surviveability. Shifter is honestly just that strong, and they have more Luk since there's no need for strength. What matters the most is if they have enough HP to avoid getting killed in one hit. I'm not sure how far casual washing takes you in that case.

Buccaneer I'm fairly certain have among the highest, if not most single target damage of all the melee classes, not counting Paladins elemental. I've played with many high level Buccs and they output similar if not more DPS as me (assuming similar level + gear). This is also taking into consideration male Buccs are missing a good chunk of DPM due to that demo bug. Not going to say they're A tier but definitely higher than C, at the very least B, probably B+.

On the other hand I feel like their cleave is rather lackluster, I'm not sure on this one since I've never actually compared their cleave damage. I just know they tend to do Barrage -> Dragon Strike and between the animations I don't think it's really that high.

I'd give them a B+, even possibly A for Neo Tokyo. It's highly dependent on what the team compromises of but SI is very helpful for Warriors (and MM), and especially good for a Paladin with a skull. They're also the best Dunas memers behind ranged classes, they can attack out of dispell range with Demo.

Feel free to critique any of these.

 

If ima be real with you chief, hero party buff should be F tier cuz it gets replaced by an item that costs 300 nx cash.

 

you should add mobility. and maybe add training and solo play together (though cleave and mobility will give you general idea of how good the class will do in training/solo).

 

Shads weren't buffed back then... Same boat here lol

 

I totally agree with your chart for the jobs that I've actually played.
Annolis though should be pretty reliable Intel on this, just saying

 

Eventually, I would hope. Right now I'm only good for all classes through 2nd Job. I've only played 75% of the classes into 3rd job up to level 85.

 

I'd argue Shads should be higher for lower level bossing because while their 2nd job bossing is nothing special, in 3rd job meso explosion allows shad access to killing bosses at far lower levels than any other class.

Also curious what makes Shads apparently good in NT? All those bosses are single target so I wouldn't expect them to be notable damage dealers. I guess they can actually survive (with HB if no wash) but with washing being a thing so can anyone else.

 

I think Savage Blow is kinda badass for 2nd job bossing

 

Nibergen and dunas cancel or reflect. This lets shads charge assasinafe to get some dpm edge over other classes

 

The assassinate changes make them close to warriors in terms of single target damage, smokescreen is very good for rushing through the third body of Vergamot, and as akash said the nature of Dunas and Nibergen means while other classes lose DPM they can make it up by charging.

 

how bout cleave potential for cwkpq