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fixed %MP use for mage ultimates

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by RemiIia, Sep 22, 2024.

  1. RemiIia
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    a consistent 50%MP cast from lvl 1- 30.
    Element Amplification still applies +150%, no MP punishment for arch mage ultimates since it will be percentage based.

    ~15k MP for bishops & arch mages ults
     
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    pot burning to end the leeching, etc
    the people have voiced their opinions on the matter and are wanting changes to counteract the exploitive use of mage ultimates.
     
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    huh, are you saying people will just pour into blood washing HP instead?
     
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    Like roaring DK will reverse HP washing.
     
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    The people? All 5 of you? Never, neither in discord nor in-game have I heard people complain about leeching. Its pretty balanced IMO considering 10-67 its faster to GRIND then buy leech (also way more money). Also new players dont even have money to afford leech at first character so it doesn't impact people joining straight into leech. Leech is a premium mostly people who have high level mains can afford. Unless im terribly misunderstanding what you mean here, I'm sad to say I dont agree.
     
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    As a regular farmer and leech seller, I think mage ults has done more damage than good for the server.
     
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    its just gonna make leech more expensive, its not gonna end lmao
     
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    If you could give some context and how you've come to the costs for the skills?

    You said this, but what are some of the ways it has impacted the server? The main thing I can think of is the massive amounts of mesos generation that it creates which would contributes to the inflation.

    Personally just at face value, one of the biggest things I have issues with is the % based MP usage with no scaling in the levels and the ele amp buff they would receive without any cost. Arch mages on the HP challenge system already use 28% of their mana pool per cast. While bishops use about 14% of their mana pool per cast. You would increase the mp cost for arch mages 1.7x and bishops by 3.5x for what gain? (this is why I would need some context) Assuming its to fight against leech. I would say this is a dramatic method to fight against that because with these high mp cost the class would essentially make the class unplayable for normal players since most of their exp come from grinding. Plus the advantage of arch mages getting a 140% damage increase without any consequence would be insanely unfair to bishops IMO. In the end, I think this would encourage leeching cause now mages MUST leech for the additional income to afford pots.

    I think some better ideas that would help prohibit the "leeching epidemic" would be to do something like roar. Maybe have the range of the skill start smaller and grows with lvls. This would increase the barrier to entry to start selling leech which would lower the pool of available sellers or at least require more effort to get them to the level to be able to.

    Next would be the argument of the meta. I think washing is very prevalent in the Legends community. I personally am pretty new to the server, but imaging all these people washing individuals joining the pq pool would make it very difficult and unpleasant for the players trying to do these content. For most PQ's I've done, most people have some form of funding from previous characters. With a group of lower level characters and limited funding already makes a lot of the PQs difficult. Now to add characters that literally do no damage or cant contribute at all just forces other players to carry them. This essentially forcing others to leech them through PQ means. This is basically passing the burden of responsibility of people willing to take it (the leechers) and putting them on strangers (random pqers).

    *Edit added how costs will get passed onto buyers
    **Edit changed opener sentence to be more clear.
     
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    99,9% of the people who want to remove leeching are leveling the first character/didn't even reach 140 by grinding on their own. Leeching is a very important meso sink and it also let the people enjoy the content they really want to on a specific character.
    If we remove leeching, we would only be punishing people who like or are tired of grinding (imagine those who are creating their 6th NL, for example). But if you don't like leeching, just don't buy it and play your game freely.
     
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    So do the right thing for the health of the server and delete your mages
     
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    Also, fyi multi mage would still be profitable. All this would do is kill leeching so when the market crashes all the farmers can also enjoy better meso value
     
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    Leeching will never go away in its entirety. Even if mage ult didn't exist we would still leech using other fma like roar or just traditional aoe skills. Ultimates should not be discussed under the lens of enabling leech, but rather their ability to eliminate an entire screen of 99% of the mobs in this game with a single button like some modern ms character. It's just simply too much damage.

    *case study: We all know the reason why ellin fairies have to resist all elements, thus rendering the entire place inhospitable to the 3rd job grinding parties they were supposed to help (And it's not dragon roar) :confused:
     
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    it seems the people voiced their opinions again but differently this time..
    I'd have no choice but to oblidge.

    You've all changed my mind.
     
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    Make mages perform keys combo to activate ultimate
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