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THE REAL WARRIOR/CLEAVE BALANCE WE NEED

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Toon, Jan 31, 2021.

  1. Toon
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    Chaos zak
    Chaos HT
     
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    I don’t even know if it’s possible for version 62 and, considering pb was launched on october, i don’t think they should be launched soon. Just wanted to see them someday
     
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    chaos zak might be possible, considering that MapleSaga is v62 and has it too.
    idek about chaos HT tho
     
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    What would they drop that makes them an endgame objective worthy of being compared to Pink Bean's drops (mw30, facestompers, timeless)? If it's nothing and just another boss to take down, then you have the NT situation- yeah sure paladins are great at NT but imagine doing NT in the first place kekw
     
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    Chaos Zakum Helmet, Chaos Horntail Pendant

    They could probably be worth fighting for these drops alone.
     
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    and 1 hour pb timer? PauseChamp
     
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    Chaos zakum would be cool but I'm pretty sure czak en chorntail were added in v88 together with the release of dual blade so I don't think it's possible (not 100% sure though)
     
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    Czak yes, CHT nope.. :/

    But Zak seduces in saga and you're able to relog on seduce and reenter if still in the party
     
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    I've never actually did Chaos Zakum or Horntail (when they were released) so I'm kind of curious; besides more HP and damage, what are the differences between those Chaos fights and the normal versions?
     
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    Both czak and cht have like 8x more hp than their normal versions.

    Biggest difference however is that they have like 500 accuracy, so only NLs and Shads will get misses. Every other class gets hit pretty much 100% of the time.

    Chaos zakum:
    - arms are aids, they mass seduce, spam dispel and hit for a good amount of damage
    - body is relatively easy and similar to normal zak

    Chaos HT:
    -Preheads similar to normal HT
    -main body is aids with seduce, pot lock, constant confuse, constant stun, left / right heads do damage reflect (magic / weapon), one of the arms can weapon cancel
     
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    Ah beautiful necksonian game design
     
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    I’m wondering wether cleave classes gonna be viable despite of how often are the stuns at chaos ht. Probably yes, imo. Does anyone have experience fighting it before big bang? If Chaos ht ever get launched probably gonna need a big squad like pb so i don’t see people exploiting it with only NL/ shads (because of the constant stuns like akash pointed) + SE mule
     
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    Depends on what you define as viable. IMO they would not be viable because when you are stunned you can't attack, so the meta would be NL + Shad + SE mules.

    Maybe the warrior cleaves could be viable if you could somehow tank touch damage to avoid the stun entirely (like what some warriors do at zakum), but I have not seen this done consistently.
     
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    https://youtu.be/hqODVBrmV3E

    video from before big bang but after potential. Frequent stuns indeed but it doesn’t seem to make cleavers obsolete. But i got u. Won’t be optimized the same way we don’t run pb with bishops tl mules and full NL archer sair.
     
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    Man gotta love old youtube videos, where people used that slideshow format with shitty ddr style background music.
     
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    Chaos zakun is a good new boss To implement after neo tokyo 2
     
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    Czak helm is +21 all stats and +10% HP and MP. Idk if the +% is possible in v62. From what I remember, Czak is easier than PB so PB would still remain last end game boss. Players that don't have enough HP for PB could prob get it from Czak helm.

    Never done CHT but the pendant gives +10% HP and MP as well. It also has w.att and m.att making it better than MoN. I doubt this boss would be possible to kill in a v62 server though.
     

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