The reason why our ToS needs to change

idk, but 1~3mths is definitely too short for someone with 4 strikes. as for ALL or main, idk? i mean there are definitely players who got p-banned but came back thru various means right?

 

Spreading of falsehoods is mostly taken care of by the no public call outs rule. With the current version of 3.3.3, you wish to take this a step further and prevent falsehoods from being spread privately between individuals or small groups.

While I do agree that spreading falsehoods about illegal activities such as what you mentioned is harmful, I do not trust staff to consistently deal with these issues in a fair / impartial manner. Furthermore, to what extent do falsehoods apply? Does spreading any false message apply for 3.3.3? What if a someone is spreading news about someone being a sexual predator or murderer with proof - would they still be subject to 3.3.3?

The very nature of harassment reports are such that you take a story from ONE SIDE and determine if this is ban worthy or not. If you think it is ban worthy, you do not even attempt to get the other side of the story, you just ban the other person and have them appeal from a disadvantageous position. You often do not reveal the evidence on what caused the person to get banned to protect the reporter, and this prevents the banned person from properly providing their side of the story. This is problematic because harassment issues are rarely black and white and often require nuance and perspective on the situation to understand.

If staff is intent on having maplelegends be surveillance legends, so be it. But at least let there be sufficient safeguards to prevent mistakes from nuking players accounts off the server - like removal of account ban for harassment offense.

Of course all of this doesn't even matter, given the last line of the ToS - you are free to moderate as you wish, but I believe this version of ToS will have some unpleasant effects on the server down the line.

Please note that the MapleLegends Staff has the right to use their discretion to ban you for any reason which they deem is abusive, disruptive, or otherwise has a negative impact on the server.

 

I think the limitations put on 3.3.3 in that suggestion actually make it too weak? If that was adopted, then if I were to, say, start Discord DMing someone with some seriously awful stuff, that it would fall outside the purview of the rules.

I think it only makes sense to have that rewrite of 3.3.3, if 3.3.2 and 3.3.1 are made to not be limited to official ML communication platforms. I also agree that, if that were to be done, that it would then make more sense for 3.3.3 to not cap out with an outright permanent ban.

 

Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on sending other people proven information someone is a murderer or sexual predator? Say I had like, a video of you admitting to murdering someone, or a news article of your conviction and sentencing in a sexual assault case. Is that still considered spreading falsehoods? Is that considered harassment, or legitimately warning other players of potential danger?

Edit: assuming your identity was already known, and this wasn’t considered doxing

 

What if we hung out and I took a video of you picking your nose? I spread it around to all my friends, meme it, add special effects to the video, until it one day it accidentally leaked out to the MapleLegends discord group?

It’s private, never intended for the public, just a fun activity with my friends. Never meant to hurt you or your reputation. Is this reasonable?

 

That’s not harassment.

 

Sorry made a small change. All this was supposed to be without your knowledge. If you still feel the same that’s fine too haha

 

Still not harassment, imo.

either way, surely I don’t need to point out there’s a huge difference between spreading an embarrassing video versus warning others someone is a convicted and dangerous criminal.

 

what analogy are you making with someone who is a convicted and dangerous criminal and a player in MapleLegends? Seems very extreme for a video game.

P.s. just saw that you were responding to nise’s post. But in all honestly he was talking about falsehood while you’re talking about it being true. Very two different things with yours being a lot less likely and also being illegal.

 

Extreme, maybe. But also not as unlikely as you would think. Is it considered harassment showing others an admission of guilt to an actual crime? That’s not a falsehood or rumor, it’s an actual truth.

also how is showing people news articles illegal

edit: I suppose this could be considered doxing, in hindsight. Okay say theoretically your identity was already known in the community.

 

Okay, cool, I think we’re agreed on that then.

 

but a fact doesn't have to be proven, or what is the bar to determine validity of proof?

 

3 separate MLA citations, at least one of which is a primary source

 

So you are saying that if im trying to warn a person of a confirmed irl murderer in this 2003 mush game which has its identity known to the public (e.g. using the IGN:xxxImDaKillerxxx) to which I have gathered undeniable proof of said mapler committing such heinous acts and I share these proofs/articles due to my worry, I won't get a strike according to the 3.3.3 rule of the ToS?

This changes everything.

 

i think as long as it's not on ML platforms it's fine; else it's probably covered by 3.3.1 or something like that

 

I think this is totally reasonable, however I think sexual harassment, stalking, and doxxing should be a separate offense. That behavior warrants a perma-ban on the first offense. I agree with others ITT that other forms of harassment should not necessarily lead to a perma-ban, though I understand simply not wanting to deal with a problematic player who has already been temp-banned three times. Maybe strikes should "expire" after six months without another strike or something like that.

 

geez 19 pages of overreacting. I've been playing MapleLegends on and off for like 4/5 years now and i've not received 1 ban or strike yet. Mind you i am dutch as well and the way we talk is quite direct and sometimes considered rude or offensive to other cultures/nationalities. on top of that i've also got quite the dark humour and like to derp and clown a bit from time to time. Yet in all those 4/5 years of playing i haven't had a single strike or ban, isn't that saying enough already? I mean i'm not doing any hardcore runs either but i still socialize quite a bit and did my fair share of PQ's and stuff and never encountered any problems so imho there's rlly no problem with TOS or staff regulating/enforcing rules.