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Either make multi-computer boss multiclienting bannable, or revert the multiclienting restrictions

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Selquin, May 27, 2020.

what to do?

  1. Ban all boss multiclienting

  2. Make boss multiclienting unrestricted

  3. Keep it as it is right now(multiple computer allowed)

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  1. RegalStar
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    RegalStar Nightshadow

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    Making boss mules isn't exactly a casual endeavor. The kind of people who have the time and finances to make multiple mules of level 135+ are also the kind of people who have most to lose from risking getting banned.
     
  2. akashsky
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    This simply isn't true. Never underestimate people's stupidity. Just because something is stupid doesn't mean people won't do it. You've seen many high level players get banned for stupid things because they assume they won't get caught.

    Sure, most people won't do it, but there will be people who do.
     
  3. -ovv
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    Is this really a counter-point, though? Like we've said, the purpose of preventative policy is to be mostly effective. If a policy is mostly a good one where people self-police, it's proven to be effective since it's reducing the amount of physical monitoring needed to be done. No policy will ever be 100% effective in a chaotic world with free will.
     
  4. magykarp
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    My reason for wanting to bring mules to HT is so that I can HT with people I like and not be restricted to any meta team composition. It just so happens that the players I want to HT with don't have expensive gear, don't have a mage to fund themselves with, and don't form the most damage optimized setup. Being able to bring an HH mule helps make up for some of our shortcomings. To be honest I would rather not run HT at all than run with people I don't like for 4 hours.
     
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  5. iPippy
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    iPippy Nightshadow

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    About ht specifically, it's odd because it is both easy and hard, depending on who you ask. If you have a mule, you probably dont need one. If you "need" a mule, you probably don't have one. It just flips the table on Dragon gatekeeping. Before, unexperienced runners thought they couldnt get a group because they didnt have a mule; now they cant get in because they dont have their mules :yay:
     
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  6. -ovv
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    This was the expected response by the community of runners and has been expressed numerous times in this thread.
    The problem is that you can't force inclusion. You can only incentivize it externally.

    There's nothing stopping inexperienced runners from forming groups themselves. Is it meso-inefficient? Yes. So are lots of other things in this game. That's not a pre-requisite to run, though.

    To ask higher leveled groups to open up to include lower-leveled, inexperienced players to their runs is along the same lines as asking them to donate to charity. Forcing them to do so becomes ridiculous.

    "Now they can't get in because they don't have their mules"
    This is factually incorrect.
     
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  7. RemiIia
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    Hey, I actually love teamwork and boss running with close friends or with my guild. I'm all for the inclusiveness but sometimes I need to do things on my own.
    there are times when I NEED TO SOLO to attempt scrolling new Targa helmets for my bishop so I wouldn't be selling any services anyway on my solo run.
    It doesn't mean I want to exclude people/guildmates.
    It simply means~ I would rather save them time whereas I can focus on myself since they're fine without having my main character be apart of the group run.

    I hope they can at least make it an exceptional rule where u can bring alts/mules to a boss run as long as you're going into a boss run with your characters only(strictly your characters and no one else's) So please consider letting us solo whatever bosses we want to solo with our alts if we desire to.

    Also

    In regards to the most recent changes, I do think this can be a positive direction as long as the economy can adjust itself to these changes, meaning: the fixed prices of the Helmet, Mon, HTP services go up to compensate the volume of more players joining boss runs.

    a slight increase to drop rate of bosses should be considered as well.

    however, with prices of these services going up we need to increase the drop rate of gachapon tickets or filter out undesirable goods from gachapon rewards.
     
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  8. jesscapades
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    The economy can and will adjust itself, but whether that’s in the direction of higher or lower prices is indiscernible, and I don’t think it’s safe to claim that one scenario is more desirable than another.

    Yes, prices of HTP, MW20 and etc are down right now, but what does that actually impact? It makes sense that if scrolls like CFA or CS are down 50%, that I shouldn’t be able to afford twice as many scrolls by providing the same service. You could argue that some of these prices should go down even more; high-level players who offer these goods and services have more purchasing power than before, compared to the other players.

    On the other hand, you could argue that the price was undervalued before due to more sellers than buyers needed, and that an influx of buyers should alleviate the seller’s surplus and raise the price. In the end, it’s a pretty useless debate that most economists have abandoned because there is simply no way to observe the actual supply and demand. (instead, microeconomists have shifted their focus towards finding better ways to observe supply and demand)
     
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    bump gm please?
     
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    Dear gm, the game I knew and loved so much has changed so much with this change. After this change, whenever I play the game I have two set up my old laptop on my desk taking up so much of my small table space. Game become so much more sweaty, I now have to have to use two mouses and use my 4G wifi for bossing. Please change this in next patch either ban all multi clienting abuse in bossing, or allow all on one PC.
     
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    Please either revert changes or make Multi clienting in Zak/HT/Scar as a whole bannable. Not everyone can allow themselves having a 2nd or 3rd PC to play their beloved game properly and match and be even with others!
    Whoever had more than 1 PC made profits of huge extent and remained untouched while the regular single-PC owner just got further restrictions.
    You've made a mistake and it's not too late to fix it.
     
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    Just ban muling altogether.
     
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    If you can just take a step back and look at the situation before the change, no one was really complaining except a handful.

    Look at it now.
     
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    The lack of transparency from staff is somewhat understandable given that internal discussion and acquisition of data is necessary before staff can make a decision. However, surely it has been enough time for the staff to come to a conclusion about this issue, it would be real nice if we can get an official comment from either the staff or kimmy.
     
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    bump :( at this point i'm more sad about the lack of communication than the multiclienting change
     
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  17. Haku
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    I'm on a break and I still visit this post for an update
     
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    Going to close this thread for time being since its only getting bumped with no contributions anymore. If we have something to say than we'll do that.
     
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