Guide to efficiently leveling high base int chars with zero starting funding.

Sure. Thats a good idea! I'll add a little spoiler at the start including who the guide is for.

hmm. As for what level of base int this becomes more efficient varies from class to class. For some classes that are very trash in the early game (like gunslingers), the base int requirement is much, much lower than any other class.

If you are also trying to train a mule character (like SI or SE mule), in addition to your main, this guide is more efficient even with 4 base int. This is because leeching two characters at the same time beats training 1 character individually very hard in terms of total exp.

Also, funding plays a huge role. If you have very good funding, a 120 base int assassin is very much playable and can grind by itself.

Anyways, to give you a rough estimate for your answer, if you are only planning on making 1 character (no fourth job buff mule), and want to wash it heavily without any starting funding, I think this guide becomes more efficient from 80 base int onwards.

 

I actually agree with this more than I disagree. I'm guilty as alyosha has claimed, as I admit I have told people to restart chars (especially when I've seen LUK mages) , and I do feel that it was wrong. It's important to also take into account people's goals before telling them to restart a char because they might not even need to. If they want to do every boss in the game (including toad), I think its fair to tell them they need to restart their ranged DPS char or do some ridiculous late HP washing like thugric .

Anyways, what people find fun is subjective. Maybe some people enjoy playing mages and leeching an attacker on the side? It may not be fun to most, but at the end of the day what I find fun and you find fun can be very, very different.

I 100% agree with the toxicity around efficiency. We shouldn't really force our own opinions onto newer players, and should let them play the game how they want.

 

Yeah, it was definitely not my intention to come off how Alyosha interpreted my guide. I just wanted to help out some people with the things I learned attempting a hard core HP wash.

 

I disagree with this. If you don't have int equips you can just add extra base int to compensate for this.

I have a corsair with 200 base int. I would hope that this is accepted as enough base int to hp wash such that no int gear is required. You are right about AP resets being an issue, and I won't ever be at full power until i get enough resets to put my INT back into dex or str.

However, that doesn't mean my character is USELESS. Yes, it is weaker than most other attackers but not that much weaker. Here's my DPM with no attack pots or party buffs.


My gear is trash (10 att wg is literally my best piece of gear) and I am sure many players who are level 70 or below have better gear than me. Yet, I still do 2.17m dpm. I'm not too sure how far away this is from a normal unwashed attacker in terms of DPM, but I would like to think that with 2m DPM, i would at least contribute somewhat to a boss fight.

Also, whenever I boss, I would take into consideration that I am weaker than the average person and as a result, would be willing to spend more on attack potions. If my teamates are using ciders, I would use heartstoppers. If they are using heartstoppers then I would use apples, if they are using apples, well then I would just apple too and get carried.



Shown above is my DPM on heartstoppers. I agree with you that high base int chars are alot weaker, but they are certainly NOT useless.

You also brought up some good points about mp washing or making an HB mule. I'll add them into the guide later on!

 

Sairs do need less hp washing in total number of ap resets, but that's cause their base hp gain is slightly higher than other ranged classes.

However , in terms of extra mp required, they need the most since they use 16 mp per wash instead of 12. Boat doesn't really play a factor since you can lessen damage to it by dismounting or not healing to full hp.

Whether 60 base int is enough depends on what your goals are and how strong your int gear is.

One thing to note is that to comfortably horntail, you need ~10k hp after hyperbody. This comes out to like around 6000 hp after hp gears like rings and pet equips.

You can probably achieve this with 60 base int and cheap int gears, but I don't think it would be enough to get you through neo tokyo or toad (unless you've got insane int gears).

 

You can't really say that without having an unwashed NL's DPM for comparison.

Maybe it would be a 5.5 man run, but to say it would be 5 is pretty much saying my sair would contribute nothing to the boss run, which I find hard to believe. I'm also using a maple weapon instead of a concerto / revolver, don't have a zhelm or decent pendant, and am currently using a 10 att wg as my most expensive equipment.

You are certainly correct my dpm isn't good, but I think once I'm fully geared my DPM would be at least what is shown in the screen shots on bosses in practice.

Well the other way you could think about it is putting base int saves you the mesos you need to spent on int gear, which lets you get started sooner. Sure, it takes more AP resets than if you have int gear, but that doesn't cost you mesos, just time. And as i hope I have shown, if you get to a high level, characters are still playable even with lots of base int.

 

I started pumping my base int from the very beginning, as soon as I made my char i went for 20 dex (for job adv) and then pumped only int until i got to 200.

I think if you are willing to invest a serious amount of time into playing your corsair (that is getting tier t10 ring, ellin ring, AND pet hp equips, and MoN), you won't need much base int at all.

I'm not too sure how much HP u can get from pet equips, but I looks like each 30% scroll gives ~50 hp. So i don't think its unreasonable to have 3 pets with 3 pet equips that each give 100 hp (so 300 hp total from it).

From the above equips alone you get like 1.7k hp. A corsair normally has 4188 hp by 155, so you only need to get 512 hp by washing, which comes to 464 extra mana.

Take into account that you naturally get excess mana from leveling, you only need to get 270 extra.

That's like 20 int total. So I'd reccomend to get ~16 int from equips starting at like level 10 (which isn't TOO difficult if u can find a decent scrolled int HAT + wand).

Overall you have a very reasonable goal that you can achieve without much investment into washing upfront. However, you will have to invest a lot into playing your character. T10 ring is harder to get imo than actually preparing for a wash.

 

Are you trying to do zakum/scar where you can take 2 hits without dying?

Are you trying to do targa with hyperbody or without?

I'm not too sure if you want to build a corsair for toad, since that requires like 200 base int and MP washes or insane int gear.