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Ainz Progresses a Poor Ranged Attacker

Discussion in 'MapleLegends Journeys' started by Ainz, Jan 24, 2021.

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    Ainz ur doing great never would I’ve thought u would achieve something like a T10 MBR.

    they grow up so fast its tru
     
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    Day ??

    I had been feeling a bit demotivated lately, so I figured I had to spice things up...
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    Let's give solo Zakum a try! Lvl 153 shad, no mw20/echo. Following stats (on cider):
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    First attempt (yesterday) dc'd after roughly 55 minutes, with 1 arm remaining.

    No sweat, it happens, can only try again!

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    Second attempt was already better!

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    b1 down! We're getting closer (but the pace already feels a lot slower than expected???)

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    b2 down! Absolutely not having a great time, but the end is in sight.

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    Aaaaand that's it.

    For a general overview of the time taken:
    Arms down - 1 hour
    B1 down - 1 hour 20 mins
    B2 down - 1 hour 45 mins
    B3 down - 2 hours 20 mins

    In case anyone is wondering about pots used:
    ~300 ginsengs (shad OP)
    ~200 acp (shad OP)
    10 stoppers for b3 (shad sucks)

    Did end up getting a pouch! Unfortunately didn't manage to screenshot it.
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    ...That really couldn't have gone any other way, could it?
     
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    Yes.

    Day ??: Not so much a log entry as moreso a theorycrafting and braindumping entry.

    So, soloing zak on my Shad was (while very dull) an enjoyable achievement to get out of the way. It also definitely made me curious about which other classes would be feasible for soloing zak.

    A quick refresher on my (somewhat) eligible characters before we start:
    Itadakimasu - 162 I/L
    ConeHead - 138 BM
    Accuse - 143 NL
    Reoru - 139 Hero
    Capitank - 127 Corsair

    Going off the current list, I think my only somewhat feasible option would be my I/L, but I think b1-2-3 would take ages. Arms would be quick though!

    As for the others, they're the reason I said somewhat eligible. I think a bunch of them have potential for a solo, but they'd mostly need to be around lvl 150 I think.
    I don't want to bother with NL because it'd be a slugfest without SE and I'm not interested in a 'solo' with buff mules.
    My hero sounds like the most likely contender. Getting to 150 shouldn't be too-too hard and I imagine it's a fairly straightforward solo from there on out.
    My BM would probably take ages, as SubterlaborSubterlabor's (much stronger) BM on full apples also took a while (This is no shade towards Subterlabor, of course)
    Sair sounds like one of the most viable classes to do this on, but my sair is obviously very weak and I'm a horrendous sair player. Also I'm not entirely sure to what extent regular boat breaking would ruin the overall damage output.

    For now, I think the main plan will be the following:
    - Continue to farm T10 on my second Shad (20/300 sets)
    - Get Reoru to 150 to attempt Zak (139/150)

    That's all for now, goodbye!
     
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    Why solo when you can multiclient attack?
     
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    Mostly because I'm more interested in it from a challenge/achievement perspective than for financial reasons.
    Additionally, a lot of my attackers rely on the same accessories (face, eye, cape, glove, earring) so I'd have to buy some budget options to really make that an option.

    It's something I'm open to, but definitely not something I consider a priority. Besides, I'm not even sure if my current character infrastructure would provide very smooth multi-attacker runs.
     
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    Day whatever?

    Today I was bored again, so I wanted to solo another boss!

    The candidate for today.... Nib! I was expecting it to take roughly an hour to an hour and 15 minutes.

    This also proved to be a good time for a slight comparison of my I/L's damage on mw30+echo vs just mw20 without echo.

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    mw30 + echo (sorry for my horrendous cursor placement, it was 6.876m)

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    mw20, no echo.

    All in all, roughly a 10% damage boost for roughly 5% more tma. I'm not sure how this compares to the old damage formula, but it's interesting to see nonetheless.

    Anyways, back to the run!

    I struggled my way through B1, not having looked up the HP for any of the bodies, taking worryingly long. Thankfully someone was kind enough to inform me that (most) NT bosses have decreasing hp as you advance to the next body. This meant that spending 30 minutes on b1 was fine, as b2 and b3 both had significantly less HP (as opposed to the higher hp I expected).

    Anyways, B1 went down after roughly 30 minutes. B2 went down after another ~18 minutes.
    Then came B3, this is where the damage starts to ramp up a fair bit (from ~5k hits to ~11.5k hits), meaning that I needed to be a fair bit more attentive to my HP/MP pool, as autopot regularly failed and my autopot thresholds were set kinda low regardless.
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    B3 is going smooth! We're going to make it!

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    Frick.


    Anyways, for a fun little detail:
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    This was the fatal hit. As you can see, my HP had fallen too low despite my (sometimes frantic) attempts to keep manually potting when this occurred.
    Now let's do a little math, shall we?
    Magic Guard blocks 80% of the damage, meaning I only need 20% of the 11.422 damage as HP in order to survive.
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    Thanks, Google! As you can see, I was 2 hp away from surviving. Guess I should've been a luk mage for that extra m.def.

    Anyways, no harm done! Learn as you do, we'll get 'em next time!
     
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    Welp.

    A while ago I had a conversation with KrythanKrythan about doing Sabitrama's quests to see how profitable they are.
    The quests are: Sabitrama's Life Work and The Committee Challenges

    Krythan actually beat me to it, here's his data.

    Part of the reason I wanted to do this quest on a larger scale is to get more data to support my hypothesis that Maple's "random rewards" probabilities for quests do not have an equal distribution.
    So, since it's a lvl 85+ quest, I had 12 characters to do the quests on.

    Time to start collecting a heap of etcs:
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    I think in total I spent around 7-8 hours farming/buying the materials. (I would usually farm everything myself but Lazy Buffy Marbles are absolutely horrendous)

    IF the rewards had an equal distribution, I was looking at an EV of roughly 21m per character, or 252m in total for 12 chars. (Note, that's a big IF)

    The actual rewards:
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    This is starting to look like it might not be an even distribution (though it's a small sample size). My rates come out to:

    Quest 1:
    5 Gloves for Dex 30 (42%)
    7 OA Int 30 (58%)
    Quest 2:
    8 Power Elixirs (67%)
    2 Gloves for Dex 30 (17%)
    2 OA Int 30 (17%)
    0 Gloves for Att 30 (0%)

    Totalling up the rewards, 9 OA int comes out to ~135m spread out over 7-8 hours, for an hourly EV of 16.9-19.3m. This doesn't factor in the gach/loot I got from farming, so overall I say it was time well-spent.
    Given these rates, the EV per character comes out to 11.25m, as opposed to the 21m I assumed given equal distribution.

    Kind regards,
    Ainz
     
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    Greetings and salutations,

    It seems I've been knocked out of the top 10 forum posters again, so I must resume my journal.
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    No bother, I had been kind of feeling an itch to post again anyways! This will mostly be a preliminary post, rambling about my current goals and character infrastructure.

    As usual, my brain has been all over the place, confidently blabbering about new goals every other week.
    Current list of goals include (but are most certainly not limited to):
    - Get my shad to 180 for potentially running PB
    - Figure out an efficient solo zakky setup
    - Re-explore what bosses I can currently solo/duo efficiently and try out new content
    - Finish leeching up another wave of mules
    - Accumulate NX for soontm 30k Shad (or at least enough to get the hp/mp washes done)

    I'll go through them one at a time, hopefully managing to provide updates concerning my character infrastructure along the way.

    1. Getting my shad to 180.
    This is probably by far the most time-consuming goal I have my eyes set on.
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    As I'm not particularly renowned for my commitment to (longer) grinds, I don't have very high hopes for completing this in the foreseeable future.
    Partygrinding has never been my thing, so duo 7F is off the table. Solo 7F nets me about 35-40m eph, which would mean the grind to 180 would take me a quick 264 hours of solo 7F.
    Seeing how I'd like to reach this goal in less than 4 years, I looked around for more efficient (solo) grinding methods, and I found one that I'm very very pleased with:
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    If I park my bish on the left side of 7F and just spam genesis while using a bstep macro with my shad on the right, I get pretty nifty eph!
    This eph would reduce the hours required for 180 from 264 to 150! Still way out of my league, but less so.

    2. Figure out an efficient solo zakky setup
    If anything, this is probably the goal I'm most curious and excited for. Given my limitations in both character infrastructure and multi-attacking proficiency, I think settling for a setup that lets me duo with another player would be fine. The characters I currently have available for this are:
    - ShadAinz, lvl 157 Shad
    - Accuse, lvl 147 NL
    - Reoru, lvl 146 Hero
    - ConeHead, lvl 147 BM (I don't feel like using a second device, so this character is effectively useless)
    - Itadakimasu, lvl 164 I/L
    - SnootBoop, lvl 161 Bish
    Looking at this list, I think my best bet would be attacking on ShadAinz, Accuse, and Reoru. Muling a bish seems fairly essential, so SnootBoop will be there as well (which comes in handy for arms).
    While I haven't tried this setup yet, I'm sure this does not currently suffice for a solo. Primarily the NL could really use some more levels to dish out more dps. The hero is just there for the memes and cleaving arms.

    3. Re-exploring my bossing options.
    This is probably something that'll mostly happen when I level ShadAinz through NT levels. I'm very curious about how it'll perform in NT/NT2 and I'm looking forward to trying it out.
    I intend to also reevaluate my options for multiattacking at other bosses (scarga, krex, Nib when Shad hits 163)

    4. Finish leeching up another wave of mules.
    I currently have another list of characters that I'll be leeching to 130 (mostly just to farm gach). This list is:
    - AinzHS, my new hs mule or lvl 120 selfleech bish (44/120)
    - Kerupuk, my soontm 30k shad (40/130)
    - Asymmetry, my soontm paladin (45/130)
    - NotAnSIMule, my soontm bucc (or SI mule) (105/130)

    5. Accumulate NX for 30k shad.
    The account Kerupuk is on is currently sitting on roughly 1.6m NX. I have 3 other accounts with more than 1.3m NX that I could dedicate to more Shads/NLs, but I don't have any intention of doing so within the foreseeable future.

    Anyways, that's it for today! It's almost midnight and I have to get up early. Goodbye!
     
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    Ty Leo, sounds good! See you at Core!OnionRayOnionRay
     

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