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Warrior An Updated Guide to Dark Knights

Discussion in 'Jobs' started by Alyosha, Oct 9, 2018.

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    15 WA from Hex is weaker than 60 WA from Heartstopper, so it will not override. Raw attack buffs do not stack with one another, the only one that does is the % buff from Echo with the highest active raw buff.
     
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    I see so we can safely use att pots with the hex maxed ic ty
     
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    What is a luk DK?
     
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    3rd job left 15 points which skill I need to add drk
     
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    I've built my DK to be "medium" LUK, aka ~100 base LUK. It's mostly theorycraft because I'm missing a ton of gear and funding, but I think a LUK DK can actually put out pretty comparable effective DPM to a pure STR DK. If any more srs-mode DK mains want to weigh in that would be welcome

    But the idea behind LUK is pretty simple:

    LUK is the best stat because it gives avoid. Typically avoid is virtually useless for Warriors because your avoid is so low that adding a little bit more avoid is still worthless because afaik you need to hit a certain threshold of avoid for it to do anything, otherwise the game just gives you the guaranteed base dodge chance. However, DK has some bonus incentive in its kit that makes LUK a more attractive stat:
    • LUK also gives ACC (at a lower ratio than DEX) so it's not a 100% total dmg loss to spec your AP into (though to be fair IMO warriors don't need any ACC gear or stats by end game, you only need like 160 base which you essentially get for free from boss gear)
    • Max Hex of the Beholder gives +50 avoid, that's 150% more than Bless. It would be a shame to not utilize that additional 30 avoid in some way
    • DK is the most motivated of all classes to spec for defense for Zerk, so you'll likely get full TL gear including pendant, whereas other Warrior might opt for MoN because it's slightly more dmg.
    • Overall LUK scrolls are also crazy value with +5LUK +3 avoid, so land a few of those on your TL Taragon, and gain on typical +5 avoid from level ups and you'd get another big chunk of avoid here
    • Shoe Avoid Scrolls are also crazy value at +5Avoid +3Acc. Shoe Jump only gives 5 Jump 3 DEX (2.4 Acc, probably rounded down) and unlike Hero/Pally, DK has no weapons that require DEX. Tbh if ACC were more valuable in the end game, all Warriors should scroll shoes for Avoid because the damage gain from DEX is pretty dogwater and it costs $$$

    I've only done a small amount of field testing, but Silver Spearmen is a great dummy to try out an avoid build on. They have 250 acc, the same as HT, and almost all bosses fall into ~250-300 acc.
    • At 155 avoid, I was getting hit 87.5% of the time out of 200 trials
    • At 268 avoid, I was getting hit 71.88% of the time out of 200 trials
    So my avoid rate for most bosses increased by 125% from 12.5% to 28.12% just by adding 113 avoid into my build
    My Knock-back rate (% Hit-rate * % Stance Fail) theoretically decreased by 17.85% from 8.75% to 7.188%
    Whether or not that translates into enough effective DPM to compensate for the lower STR remains to be seen, but just based on my naked eyeball you would need your lines to be pretty damn high to compensate for missing even 1 attack every minute due to getting knocked out of position, and that's not even factoring in the DMG loss from repotting Zerk. My LUK DK still hits ~25k lines at 176 and that's with maybe 200 coins worth of gear on. I think ideally you'd want to reach over 350 avoid, but I don't really know how the player-getting-hit formulas work.
     
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    that's right, 1 damage is better than 0
     
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    Hi. So what do we do with the base INT after hitting 30K hp? Do we reset it out? My current stats at LV157 are
    HP: 22,706
    MP: 2358
    Str: 722+77
    Dex: 40+79
    Int: 49+43
    Luk: 4+41

     
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    Yeah, you're good to reset out int. Additional MP won't really help anymore
     
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    As a DK, do I need to do an HP washing? as there is a challenges system, which you will end up with 20,200 HP at 160. And with HB, I have 30k HP 160+lvl?
     
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    as drk u wanna 30k as fast as u can at 120 to use Berserk with a bit more qol
     
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    It's honestly less of a hassle to wash than it is to complete the challenges. I think at that point you'd be looking at 20-30 hours of quests vs. being 10 levels weaker for the first 150 levels.
     
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    wait why does you DK have 900+ luk and only 300str, i'm currently at 333 str, should I be full sending LUK now?
     
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    Most player will opt to go for STR as their primary stat. Making a LUK-based DK is not the most common way of making a DK.

    I assume that you're referencing the image of Dostovasky, the level 200 DK, in the original post. It's a common occurrence in the end-game for players to be disappointed in the performance of DK compared to other classes in the high levels.

    In this case, this DK was re-purposes into a SED mule for Horntail, which means that it was respecced for avoid such that it could better help the party by taking extra aggro from the boss.
     
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    I see, so as an average player, first character made is a DK. Should i full send str then? or is LUK still smth i should consider if i eventually get to horntail?
     
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    you dont need any luk on your dk.
    luk dk is mule dk.
     
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    I thought all dks were mule dks
     
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    Okay sweet, im gonna full send str. Cheers. I dont wanna be no HB mule
     
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    Say it aint so.
     
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    As of now, yes they pretty much are. BUT they are working on changes rn! (Hopefully)
     
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