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Information July 2024 Balance Changes [Explained]

Discussion in 'Update Notes' started by xiaoyaoz, Jul 12, 2024.

  1. HV
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    Wait, can I CS ephenia ring?

    :kekw:
     
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    My only account is a Lvl 87 DarkNight. Does that mean it will be useless on higher lvls or can I still do bossing even if people dont need my HB? I dont know about the dmg that different classes deal.
     
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    No it cannot be chaosed, staff said.

    Don't worry, DK will still be valued in content they are currently valued on. They still excel in CWK for example.
     
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    QUOTE="grillwurst93, post: 376076, member: 61956"]My only account is a Lvl 87 DarkNight. Does that mean it will be useless on higher lvls or can I still do bossing even if people dont need my HB? I dont know about the dmg that different classes deal.[/QUOTE]

    Actually, the further the implementation of the challenge system gets, the better the situation becomes for DKs :)
     
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    Not much in terms of balance changes but new content is always exciting and the changes made give promise to future updates. Looks like a lot of effort went into this.

    Also thank you for listening to the community and releasing the full challenges hp in advance.

    GGs
     
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    Actually, the further the implementation of the challenge system gets, the better the situation becomes for DKs :)[/QUOTE]


    The truth is Drk is bad for most bosses, he is very good at cwkpq but thats about it,
    in zak he is decent at most good at hands part but then sucks since he loses ton of dpm when he must go to the other side to zerk and misses the hss and smoke and needs to come for buffs every now and then.
    he is also good at ht while sweating like hell to zerk propely and not die for 1.5h run so good but still isn't worth it since u can do the same with a hero and chill while playing.

    then there are all the nt bosses which he is bad at:

    berga is very hard to zerk in and you dont have much avoid so he is very bad for dk.
    nib allows u to zerk properly so with si and se u can do decent dmg but even then as a lvl 183 drk with good gear (128 att sky ski, 11 att cape) who zerks nib with 6k hp i do less dmg then a lvl 150 paly with worse gear.
    in core blaze u can zerk well and do decent dmg but u dont have a stun for the mobs nor guard crush for the core so hero will do a much better job.

    also in must nt bosses there is power guard which hero can cancel which give him huge advantage,
    so while i believe that both drk and hero are on the lower end of the classes hero sucks less and drk is fun but so unrewarding that there is no real reason to play drk in higher lvls.

    disclaimer 1: in my opinon it is the most fun class to play.
    disclaimer 2: currently switching to play bucc since it feels terrible as a drk.
     
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    That's a good call actually and was quite simple to incorporate in, so I've attached the updated version of the table here~
    [​IMG]

    Quick apologies to AlyoshaAlyosha for not replying this in much detail earlier, since I was actually trying to get the edited Zakum figure out first. Two points in response to the points mentioned by both AlyoshaAlyosha and DisneyDisney :

    1.
    Definitely good point. It's aggregated without any conditions atm, so the true gauge of "popularity" isn't accurate. At least when we see it in isolation. Perhaps in the future, I might add another chart based on a narrowed down search of those that have the correct number of base AP. However, this is also not a great indicator, since there may be people who are still washing. Could also narrow down specific outliers, like those who have too much LUK, but that because very class specific. Would love to hear any suggestions on how to narrow this down.

    2. Rather than looking at the figure in isolation, I actually think the real meaningful data comes from the comparisons. Because the previous measure also included these mules, any changes in percentages would mean a change in the number of mules being actively used, number of actually "mained" characters. ​

    Level Distribution
    I've included a footnote in the updated class distribution figure to indicate what we considered "active" (which is just have they been logged into in the time period). We used the same method to consider level distribution. It's not a great indicator, but it's an easy one to use. I've been brainstorming other ways to consider active, such as have they levelled up in the time period, participated in a boss/PQ in the time period, etc. But these are a bit more involved in terms of narrowing down the data, so not sure if this will end up being done. Really depends on my availability down the line.

    Misc.
    Thanks for the suggestion! Love hearing people's feedback/input about how we can convey the info better! My biggest concern is readability & interpretation. I feel a lot of people don't really do too well with reading scatterplots. Personally, I feel people have the easiest time understanding line graphs & bar graphs. Which is why I've ended up trying to stick with these specifically. But might try out scatter plots in the near future~
     
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    Main post has also been updated!
     
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    Great work, thx!

    Would be nice to implement the mounts in cwkpq as well
     
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    I'm still adamant on the idea of removing muling features for certain pq's and boss runs, since 2019.
     
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    I think this chart only means what classes does current active players own.
    It doesn't mean what classes are being actively played.

    For example, I own a 17x Hero. But I'm not actively playing Hero since 2021.
    But I will still login that character to do things that benefits my other characters:
    1. Set FM merchant
    2. Storage mule
    3. Buy alcaster etcs
    4. Get Piece of Cracked Dimension
    5. Rage mule
    6. Get (otherwise wasted) EXP when HS
     
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    Sounds like it's time to cluster player activities and see how the various classes are *really* playing the game :drool:
     
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    Wow, looking forward to experience these changes! I wonder why MM are not that popular... I saw a couple hard-hitting level 15x.
     
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    Love the Iruvata map update! Great area for Hero/DK
     
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    This is an amazing update with a lot of player feedback taken into account which is nice to see. Also really impressive to still have new content coming out 9 years in.

    Great job as always!
     
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    Yeah I saw this as a nerf to the one good pq there is
     
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    yah i agree its a nerf, kinda sad. BUT hopefully making it less solo-able will enable staff to buff rewards along with the PQ rework (pls dont tell me this is all there is to the "pq rework" for epq)
     
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    I dont know where else to drop this feedback, but I wish to thank the ML staffs for prioritizing and putting effort into HP challenge, giving us non-washing players a chance to experience end-game content.
    It feels so surreal to see my HP at 21k with HB, after all these years.
    I gotta give kudos to the idea of the HP charm, and also having incentives like monster cards behind HP challenge to encourage more players to test out the challenge. I can see a lot of thoughts are put into these (on top of the whole storyline) and not gonna lie i'm impressed, and I really appreciate it.

    Thank you so much :")
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    u finally can pb
     

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