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Transparency in RnG rates

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Alden, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. Alden
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    Hi mods,

    Could we have more transparency in RnG rates in this game? Such as item pulled by event boxes , gacha pulls , etc.

    Most games do show the % of acquiring each item available. It seems unfair if only GMs know the rates , and GMs have player accounts as well no?

    Thanks for your kind consideration.
     
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  2. Eighty
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    For content such as the ice boxes, you can actually keep track and deduce the %s.

    I think someone mentioned something about people being toxic when they don't get what they want after 10 tries if said item had a 10% chance. That's not how probability works and people have a hard time understanding that because it's not intuitive.

    So yeah, I think the main motivation reason is to not have to deal with such unnecessary toxicity. Most game are REQUIRED to show % because people sink real money into those gachapon-esque items.
     
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    perks of being gm and friends with gm :)
     
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  5. Quinale
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    Agree. Transparency is the best policy when it comes to things like this. I would also prefer things like drop rates being different for different skills to be made public. Seems unfair that only a small portion of the population are allowed to have the knowledge.
     
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    So you're telling me if I fail 11 10% scrolls in a row, I can't report this as a bug?
     
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    No, sir. You need to fail 13 in a row before you report the bug and get your 10k NX.
     
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    If you hear/see anyone that claims to know about rates that isn't supposed to. Aka non-staff member, please submit a thread onto our "report abuse" section. We don't tolerate ANY leaks of any kind. We've let go of plenty of staff members in the past, so please don't assume that's condoned behavior.

    I believe both sides have valid concerns and arguments, and I would say perhaps we can find a middle ground, will look into it and get back to the community hopefully~
     
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    Hi Nise! Can we pleaseeeeee lower the rates for the orange mushroom pots?
     
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    Also a common misconception :pepehands: in the 3 years I've been staff I don't think we've deliberately nerfed anything without telling people. Sometimes bugs and stuff happen, causing somethings to not behave as intended (making it seem like a nerf). But we try to communicate all changes (with the exception of things we forget ofc)
     
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    They also "stealth buffed" heal in the beginning of the event, but no one wants to give staff credit for that. [​IMG]
     
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    I can neither confirm nor deny...
     
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    Not saying that stealth nerfs happen constantly, but one such example was the cwkpq bonus stage NX nerf. This was a clearly a deliberate change and not a bug. I asked kimmy after the patch whether it was a bug or a intended change, she said that the nerf was indeed intentional and that she just forgot to add it to the patch notes. I don't doubt that kimmy probably just forgot to add a note in that particular case, but such cases alongside undisclosed drop rate multipliers for certain skills and events like the fake HT drop rate nerf give off the impression that staff really can just silently change something behind the scenes and never say anything about it until players themselves investigate.
     
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    I actually think its more believable that she forgot to include it :p There are so many things that happen in terms of development that we sometimes forget to list certain changes, or even apply certain changes (that were agreed on). I think a recent example was amorian baskets stacking to five, but we forgot to put it on patch notes.

    But we really try to be transparent about it all, I really can't emphasize just how much of an active effort myself, as well as other staff members, have tried to change that perception of staff. You probably noticed that recently with the balance explanation posts and other stuff along that line. One baby step at a time though! We'll get there eventually :3
     
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    y'all need to cut the staff some slack, they are working for free so at least try and be grateful
     
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    mfw we literally announce every little balance change and people think we still stealth nerf things MapleF4 DW we literally announce every change in the #events tab in discord
     
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    How is forgetting to announce a nerf any different from a stealth nerf?
     
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    Oh sorry, I was talking about Summer event, since that's what this post was about.

    I hope you guys know that there are hundreds of changes in between each patch. I dunno how long ago the things you talked about happened, but staff don't stealth nerf / forget to tell you guys on purpose. We're humans too, and may slip up once in a while, but still do our best to announce all changes.

    Once again, we're not trying to hide things from you guys on purpose. Appreciate your understanding.
     
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