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Quality of Life Changes

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Ciso, May 15, 2024.

Wanted to gauge everyone's thoughts on this with a poll :)

  1. AP and SP resets should be free

    17 vote(s)
    25.4%
  2. AP and SP resets should NOT be free

    44 vote(s)
    65.7%
  3. Bossing structure should be changed to 1 kill per day

    6 vote(s)
    9.0%
  4. Bossing structure should stay the same

    35 vote(s)
    52.2%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Tommygunner
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    Tommygunner Slimy

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    ahahaha yah well, people will complain no matter what XD

    yah i like the challenge system. it just needs to come out quicker for the current playerbase. I think the hp challenge needs to give the full amount of hp it promised RIGHT NOW, and then as the next challenge levels come out, lower the hp by that amount. Yes, the current player will temporarily benefit from full hp by only doing 2 tiers right now, but in the end, once all the challenges come out, it'll go back to how staff intended them.

    Why shaft the current players, instead when you could give them a little treat?

    disclaimer: i have no characters doing hp challenges
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2024
  2. Milkydoor
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    Milkydoor Timer

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    A lot of people complain about voting (in order to wash) being a meaningless task that has nothing to do with playing the game, but it seems pretty successful in perpetuating your maple addiction and making you keep coming back, just like any dailies/weeklies/etc. Turning videogames into a habit is an entire industry, let’s give credit where credit is due.
     
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  3. Viconia
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    I think the challenges will help a lot once they're out, the pace of them seems to be the most difficult thing for people. Hopefully alongside some balance changes to incentivize bringing DRKs it wont really matter.
    I love the idea of custom content like the challenges/MB Ring and such in an old version of the game especially if it tries to retain some of the spirit of the time. I'm not the biggest fan of washing but I don't feel like I can really gripe too much about it until challenges are out fully and people have their time with the game in that state.
    My main concern with Washing is that at its core it is an 'exploit' (even if its working as intended) those types of things in games can make balance challenging because what do you do? Balance around the 30k HP people and make life harder for the unwashed masses, or balance it for the unwashed and make the game way easier having washed (which seems to be what it is now)

    I'll be interested to see how I feel about this topic in a year from now assuming I stick with it :D
     
  4. iPippy
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    I'm honestly surprised that we aren't allowing people who have already committed to the challenge system access to the full hp, given its exorbitant timeframe. The time to give the HP was last year's anniv, and this one would be the next best time imo. It would also let us answer the question right now of if there actually are any DKs to support this.

    Here's what I'd suggest to allow for an advance on hp challenge hp:
    • Require all available challenges to be completed to access this "HP Advance".
    • Require characters to be of the proper level of the tier to claim the advance of that tier.
    • When new tiers are released (trial or otherwise), restrict the ability of "Advanced" characters to sign for all expeditions until they are caught up once again by completing all active tiers.
    This way, players can use the full hp now, and can benefit from its much needed presence while not being dependent on the years of development still needed to actually finish these.
     
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  5. beegoratto
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    beegoratto Zakum

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    This sounds like a decent amount of conditionals. I’m curious if current code infrastructure can even support it and how much effort it would take, dev wise.
     
  6. fartsy
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    thats ok just give them a temp item that gives them the stats, no harm done
     
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  7. iPippy
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    iPippy Nightshadow

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    The first two conditionals are there for completeness. The real system should already check the user's level and prior tier completions before starting the next one. The only novelty is just block users from content if they have uncompleted but claimed tiers. I don't think it'd not require any work to implement, but do think it would be feasible.
     
  8. -ovv
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    Wishful thinking is there's some surprise for the upcoming anniversary and the entire challenge system gets released. That'd be epic.
     
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  9. Subterlabor
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    My bm might actually hit 200 if that were to happen :eek:
     
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  10. ryanlights
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    i love my class, playing the free market doesn't require any hp washing ^__^
     
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  11. Krythan
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  12. -ovv
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    This is also misleading. You don't need 2-3m NX to start the project. You just need enough NX to take advantage of the fresh AP as you work towards your target base INT. That's it. After that, you can leech or grind to your hearts content without any losses from level up - you'll just be gimped out of main stats or have some bloodwashed stats in MP, but you won't lose out on level up MP gain.

    Realistically, this looks like around 750-1m NX, depending on what your target base INT is. I personally don't bother with hp/mp washing until past level 30 and will hp/mp wash until I hit 390 base INT for an optimized end of wash at level 155.
     
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    pharaoh Master Chronos

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    People seem to really overestimate the difficulty of washing, especially in 2024. If you just follow the meta, do events, and wash optimally, getting to a high hp while enjoying the game along the way is completely doable. If you don’t know how, there are so many guides now and people willing to help you if you just ask. You don’t need to wait 5 years. My first character was a ranged character I got to 200 in under a year with a final hp of 15k (before I even had a single mage) which I really enjoyed playing and my second character was inted out with 30k potential less than 6 months later (now lvl 200 with 30k base) because some kind people smarter than me were willing to take the time to guide me on the best path for my goals. If you want high hp handed to you on a silver plate with minimal washing, there are also classes you can pick to do that. Now if you want the best of both worlds without the effort needed to grind or some moderate level of patience then in my opinion you’re just fundamentally playing the wrong game.
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2024
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  16. Krythan
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    It's easier to complain!

    There's always a balance between "how to make a game approachable" and "everyone should be able to have the best, most powerful, character in the game".
     
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  17. fartsy
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    ML players:

    i hate gms, they ruined the game!!!

    also ML players:

    why can't we be like gms
     
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  18. Tommygunner
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    I personally enjoyed the experience of my MM starting low hp due to lack of NX and over time getting more and more hp. Because the sense of progress isnt tied to only gear/lvls.
     
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  19. RemiIia
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    yeah, AP resets should be droppable as the same drop rate as NX
     
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  20. fartsy
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    i wish mobs drop mesos in 100m bags
     
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