[Formal Proposal] Quester's Ring

As always... I support the idea, just not in the form of a ring. Make it anything other than a ring.

 

A pendant, that would be nice.
Gives flavour to people selecting between a MoN and an HTPendant.

 

Add some jump quest as the requirement to upgrade too.

 

The three warriors I have all had one experience in common. At around level 73, I had them collecting Jr. Necki Cards. They would occasionally miss. They had a base DEX of 60...at level 73...and miss...a Jr. Necki...I think accuracy wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

 

I do agree that it would be super useful for 2nd and 3rd jobbers. My bad.

I was thinking about it in terms of end-game. Because that ring would allow me to reach 140 speed as a warrior - without my pet speed equips. And the accuracy is really OP in terms of 7f grinding.

But I'm all for low level grinding boosts.

 

ya fukken what, I'm confirmed 900iq, time to become 1000iq.

More rings shouldn't be added mostly because:
1. Monster Book Ring
2. Wedding Ring for Apples
3. Ellin Ring
4. Valentine Ring if possible

Why have a 5th ring, when you can generally get more pendants?

If one were not to grab a MoN or HTP he's generally stuck with the castle pendants ribbons which are generally sucky sucky useless.
Generally speaking it makes sense to trade Base Stats / HP from the MoN or HTP to get a better wdef "quester pendant".

For example, you could decide between a HTP and a Quester Pendant.
One gives 100+350wdef if egged
while the other gives 500wdef possibly at tier 10.

Not sure if stacking 850wdef from HTP + quester ring would be accepted, as you'd legit cut in half all DMG (or idk, maybe 1/3)
For this it makes sense for the Quester ring to actually be a pendant, so that it goes in comparison to using an HTP or MoN

sry I'm writing like a pepega today, but the point is out there

 

it makes all events where rings are given out useless, tl;dr

 

Also Zombie Army Ring to take over Valentine Ring during certain times of the year.

 

Imagine giving 40 avoid and +21-23 all stats for something strictly enferior.

 

pls giv hp so we can say rip hp wash ily nice idea hopefully not a stolen thread hmmmmmmmmm this is so sku also we suffers from this problem where we need more ring slots what is your respond to this dad?

 

If the Wedding Ring could be worn over another ring for the cosmetic effect, then I would be okay introducing another ring into the game. Remember that this is supposed to be a GMS nostalgia server, and GMS had a Quest Specialist Medal system to give bonuses for questers. While it is true that introducing another pendant might be terrible given how crowded the Pendant category is already, I still don't believe adding another ring is the correct solution. We should also consider the reward could be a Face Accessory or an Eye Accessory. I also like the idea of a permanent and universal Pet Equip - all of which could give the same set of stats you've laid out.

 

Fixing HP washing shouldn't be added to make higher dmg and higher survivability at bosses a possibility.
You should trade off DMG/stats while bossing for more survivability.

 

I generally support this proposal but I don't like the level requirement and the accuracy and speed bonuses. I think that giving accuracy will diminish the value of accuracy and DEX scrolled items, and similarly, giving speed and jump diminishes the value of movement abilities, speed scrolls, and certain potions.

I think it would be better to give a small amount of weapon and magic attack: 1 weapon attack every 2 tiers, starting at tier 2 for a total of +5 weapon attack at tier 10, and 1 magic attack every tier, for a total of +5 magic attack at tier 10. This is a very tiny amount of weapon/magic attack which would be attractive mainly to hardcore players and new players who might not be able to afford attack-scrolled equips. I suggest +10 magic attack because magic attack is worth much less than weapon attack.

I also don't support having level requirements, or maybe making them more lenient. With OP's proposal, it would be fairly easy to get tiers of the ring before you can equip them which encourages players to wait and do quests once they've outleveled them, which is bad design IMO.

 

I agree ML is much better, that wasn't the argument being made. I agree that a significant portion of the population aren't playing for the precise nostalgia experience either. But it is being advertised as a Nostalgia server and Kimberly has said on numerous occasions that she's not keen on diverting from the original GMS without very good reason - so this should be something to consider in your request going forward if you are to convince Kimberly. I'm spelling this out for you so that you are aware that I'm not advocating a pure nostalgia experience on this issue, but your reply here does make me want to ask one question: You mad, bro?

I'm glad we agree on something. =o) I also find your insistence that you NEED to dismiss people's suggestions as unhelpful is unhelpful.

Yeah, Pet Equips are a little misplaced for this, but it's just an idea. I don't understand how an "achievement" item is replacing anything in this normal gear slot? Zakum/Scar/Ravana helms are achievement gear that replaces your regular helmets very early on in this game. I don't know about you, but I find it odd that those rewards are helmets in the first place - perhaps you agree with me on that point? Nevertheless, Broken Glasses is an achievement gear for the Eye Accessory, and you don't get a better one until CWKPQ. To my knowledge, Face Accessory items are strictly Gach drops. Having a Quest Specialist Face Accessory in the form of a scar to show how many quests you've been on (maybe the higher the tier the more scars you have) would eliminate the dependency of Gachapon Tickets being nice enough to give you a Face Accessory.

Additionally, this is where I agree with Motto! If this is to be a ring, for people who have done a lot of HP washing, why do they need another damage bump? While it is true you don't NEED to do any HP washing anymore, those who have chosen not to do any HP washing could benefit from the DEF bonuses - effectively trading off DPS for survivability. This would allow for the game to not be a one-way-to-play dynamic. If there are multiple ways to approach the game, then the game becomes even better. Diversification of character abilities should be a good focus.

 

With the proposed bonuses, I don't think the quest reward accessory should be a pendant after all. Deputy Star is still IMO a more useful item, and I definitely don't want to waste all my time and effort on a pendant I won't wear.

Not quite feeling it as a face or eye accessory either... but that's just my gut feel. Face accessories are available on FM, and they are still quite affordable, right? At any rate, if it's going to be a face or eye accessory, how many upgrade slots would it have? If we failed to upgrade it, can we discard it and get a new one?

Diversification of character abilities is a good thing, but I'm not too sure what your point is here. The sword's usually better than the shield, and given the choice I think most people will still pick DPS over survivability. After all, if you can't kill things efficiently, you'll still lose out in the long run. A defence-oriented quest reward accessory is more likely to be a good-to-have item, rather than a viable alternative to DPS equipment.

 

Why can't the proposed ring just replace the ellin ring? The ellin ring is obtained at lv50 or so, why should that be assumed to be end-game? The ellin ring itself already can be considered a "quest ring" since you do a questline to obtain it. The proposed ring is an upgrade to that

 

I don't have a clear picture yet as to how a defensive character could benefit a party in a HT or Zakum encounter yet. Perhaps it never would. But I do know that I've done my best to put my AP into the primary stat and never put any AP into the HP or MP slots. In doing so, I found my warriors would die rather quickly at Mannies in my early level 7x and a very high miss rate because I didn't have any HP and Accuracy equips. This is where the thought of having a DEF and Accuracy bonus appealing.

I guess I'm seeing it this way: If you focus on power, but miss, then power is meaningless. If you already have accuracy, then if the focus is on power, but you die too easily, then the power is meaningless without HP/DEF. Since we can pot ourselves as much as we have mesos to spend, DEF is only useful for managing pot usage - but only in so far as the need to use one pot is extended beyond one hit (meaning, if I can be killed in two hits, it doesn't matter how high my DEF is - I can safely take a hit before potting myself - likewise with HP). Since adding HP is far cheaper and far more reliable, DEF becomes a worthless stat except to reduce pot usage if that particular tier of DEF buffs has been reached. So, while I could advocate for HP and Accuracy bonuses, I think the server has had its fill of HP buff equips, so it would have to be a DEF bonus.