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Significantly increase HP from Event Gear until HP Challenges are complete

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Miney, Jun 9, 2024.

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    HP Challenges were officially announced on October 10, 2022.

    https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...-challenges-system-hp-wash-alternative.47420/


    HP Challenges are not going to be completed anytime soon. Those who opted to go the challenge'd' route are stuck in limbo waiting for what is probably still at least a year from now with this progression rate - and that's being optimistic. But the quality of each Tier release matters too - this is a permanent new feature that isn't just about providing HP.

    Until the HP Challenges are at a capacity to be considered "fully complete", I suggest that HP provided from Event Gear be significantly increased. This would be a temporary band-aid solution for players to be able to access most bossing content for the time being. Point of contention is the amount considered "significant", which I think would be individual gear that provides that of at least 4 digits worth of HP.

    Assuming a lack of development time to spend on a temporary measure, there need not be a distinction in providing different event HP gear based on players' current HP, nor their opt-in status to HP Challenges. If certain categories of players abnormally benefit more than they should be able to due to event HP gear, then I believe this is a consequence worth taking as enabling all players to be able to join all bossing content would be an outweighing benefit.
     
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    Maybe only claimable by characters who have completed at least one challenge, to make sure there's 0 effect on the non-challenge population?
     
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    If it's easily implementable, absolutely.

    But if a conditional implementation is a development time-consumer, I don't wish for its necessary implementation to delay the temporary fix, nor the suggestion be dismissed to begin with.
     
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    I believe this could be a good bet, only those who did the challenge can get a team that gives the HP and upload it, this could have been from the beginning to get feedback I believe this could be a good bet, only those who did the challenge can get some equipment that gives HP and upgrade this item tier by tier, this could have been from the beginning to get feedback about hp and quest difficulty
     
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    would be good if players understand it as temporary since it'll inevitably result in a forum post to make it permanent
     
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    how do you know? :eyes:
     
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    I don't. But it's a reasonable assumption to make seeing the pace of each progressive release being like half a year apart from each other.

    HP Challenges will be completed on Anniversary 2026, quote me future beings
     
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    exactly, lets not make any improvements to the game at all since people will complain /s
     
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    I think the elephant in the room is how horribly HP challenges have been handled. Not only has it been a while since the were announced, the mystery and lack of communication regarding them has only increased. I just don't understand creating such a complex system if there is not an ability to implement it (in a timely manner). You'd probably be able to take a fresh account, start voting, and wash a whole character before the complete release of the HP challenges. It's just unfortunate.

    Back on topic, I think that the staff has most likely talked through all various HP alternatives before announcing the challenges. This is probably the only solution that met all their needs. So i'm not sure they'd endorse a temporary solution which pulls manpower away from the main system. Tho I do think a temporary solution is needed
     
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    Please save the poor souls trapped in low hp purgatory
     
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    Although I agree completely its something very custom which I highly doubt would ever get pushed through. Like some others have mentioned since the challenge was announced I've nearly washed out a 30k NL, and my 220 int 30k/5.3k Paladin will be int free next month, yet my BM still can't do really anything it couldn't already do before even with tier 1+2
     
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    It would have been nice I think if you were say 180, and only tier 1 was released, you could claim the full HP allowing you the tier 9 @ level 180 HP, but as a requirement with each release you had xx amount of time to do the quests before the hp "expired" somehow it gets more complicated the more fair you try to make it.
     
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    they are furiously writing code next to a black hole

    jokes aside, probably better to save much criticism until after the anniversary patch
     
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    Agree, sounds like non-vacation people problems
     
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    To these:

    I don't expect increasing the HP Value of upcoming event gear to be very costly in dev time. Deciding how significant the increase, this might cost time, but that would be handled by the balance team instead. And over all - it's a temporary fix, and the gears will expire. The suggestion aims to deliver a solution quickly as the initial solution of HP Challenges will likely not be; it doesn't have to be perfect.
     
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    I'm not opposed to a transitional solution while the challenges are still being developed, but I am little confused.

    If the suggested temporary solution is to add significant HP increases to the upcoming event gear: Wouldn't that mean all players participating in the event have access to said gear and HP? Instead of it only being accessible to the players who specifically opted into the HP challenges, forfeited the option of washing, and worked to complete the available tiers?
     
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    I agree that the hp gained from challenges doesn't need to be gate kept, and I am for this suggestion to resolve the issue. However, I also think its unlikely staff will do anything about this problem because it will be resolved by itself once they finish their challenge work. So, the hp challenged have two options.

    1) Wait for challenges and do what they can with their low hp characters
    2) Remake a washed character like sweatlord

    I think number 2 has consistently been the correct decision throughout the entire history of hp challenge, and i still do not think its too late to start a washed character. Furthermore, when the hp challenges are completed, you can do them on your old character and continue as normal.
     
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    This is why I suggest only making it claimable by challenge characters. Maybe using quest flags. I won't pretend to know how easy or difficult it would be, but I wouldn't anticipate that being a Herculean task.
     
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    couldn't people just MP wash then hyperwash to 30k hp?
    took me only 1 year honestly (and 3 years of hiatus offline voting)
     
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