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How to optimally end game starting from nothing?

Discussion in 'Help & Advice' started by demonspiders, Apr 17, 2024.

  1. demonspiders
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    Hi, totally new player here. I enjoy making alts, multiclienting, and optimization. I'm looking to create the most efficient path to reaching my end game goal of late game bossing on a NL (I think I would need 20k+ HP minimum for this?)

    I also plan to create other characters for fun. I don't want to invest too heavily in them, but don't want to 'ruin' their end game viability by not washing. Perhaps it would be better to play them normally, do HP challenges and then decide if I want to remake those chars?

    I have done a fair bit of research and read guides, but many were a few years old and metas might have changed. How would you start over in the most efficient way possible? I am starting from nothing: no vote NX, no mesos. I would also like to document the "meta" journey to end game.

    Questions:
    • I heard "multimaging" is good to farm mesos? How many mages would I want, and when can they start farming? Can I farm on these without 'ruining' them for end game?
    • I read that I would need a lot of stockpiled NX/funding for washing. It seems like I cannot wash my potential alt attackers right away, so would it be best to just focus on farming until I have NX? I intend on self leaching once my bishop is leveled.

    TL;DR
    Starting from zero, what is the most efficient path to end game bossing using multiclients and with no stockpiled NX?

    Thank you for helping me nerd out in this old mushroom game :)
     
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    30k HP or bust ;)

    This thread is still very applicable today: How to start playing MapleLegends efficiently as well as The Optimal Path to End-Game.

    I also recommend section "7. The Meta" of The Getting Started Guide

    Your goal is to make as much money as possible while voting daily and waiting for NX.

    What I would do:
    1. Create at least 12 accounts. Vote daily.
    2. Create a Bishop. Spend every meso you earn to level to 120+ asap.
    3. Marry a second character, run APQ as often as you can, as it's one of the best ways to make consistent profit before 4th job.
    4. Sell CDs, Viks leech. Start saving your mesos and coins.
    5. Sell as much leech as possible for profit to invest in the next projects.
    6. (Optional) Create an attacker that requires no/low washing so you don't have to wait a year before you can boss on a NL.
    7. Invest in "infrastructure". Be that an archmage to sell petri and or multi-channel leech, or multi-mage for farming, or multiple attackers for multi-attacking bossing. There are many viable paths here.
    You can never go wrong with another bishop or two or three, but all the mages are viable:
    • Bishop is the best for low to mid level leech, and has the best utility in bosses.
    • I/L has the best maps they can farm in terms of drops. Has some use in a few bosses.
    • F/P is the fastest to level up, and is the best high level leecher at 5-6F.
     
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    rubbing shoulders with the plutocracy (be like 5th or 6th on their inheritance list)
     
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    If you literally wanna go from zero to hero, just follow the journal spencil2spencil2
     
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    First step: make multiple accounts to vote on. You can use the VoteLegends app somewhere on this forum to make it easier (or just save the URL of the gtop and use data+airplane mode on your phone to reset IP address). Preferably, vote on however many attackers you want + mages to wash + a couple extra in case you feel very invested into this server. You can continue to build lots of NX on multiple accounts while building your first characters

    Second step: Building first character(s) infrastructure
    Usually it's recommended to make a bishop to leech your future character infrastructure. If you want the simple approach to starting out, you can go this route. You have a pretty easy time early game with pure INT and cruising thru early game and 2nd job with heal-blasting ghost ship til 3rd. With the free farming you do until 70-75, you may consider buying leech to 81 (when you max HS). Then you can party play or grind yourself til 4th (or buy more leech).

    Alternatively, you can do the above and start a fire/poison mage. F/P mage has it a bit rough from lv 40-60, but afterwards the exp rate skyrockets to the fastest grinding class until forever. You can multiclient with your cleric/priest for HS to increase the EXP gain and basically free leech your future bishop along with your F/P.

    Next Steps:
    -No matter which mage route you go, you should have a way to build up more characters by yourself if needed, either Bishop or a combination of HS + another mage
    -Wash your next couple characters. There are several washing guides and many players very good at NX + wash planning
    -Have some kind of workable income: usually leeching or self-farming valuable maps. You can get some easy one-time meso boosts from certain quests like Lv30 Shoe Jump 30% and Lv85 OA INT 30%.
    -Gear your characters as needed. Common INT gears are good for washing as well as powering up your mages to 1-hit various mobs. Your attackers will need some basic gears eventually, when you decide to want to boss.
    -Get connected with an active guild(s). It's nice to have people to talk to while grinding and people "gz" you when you level. It's a lot more motivating knowing there are other players who go thru the same things and it's also a place to ask for help, if needed. They'll also be the first to invite you to potential regular bossing groups and more (see Fartsy's post above)
    -Have fun. Hopefully you like mages, as that helps tremendously in this process.

    The above is still pretty general, but hopefully it sets certain goals to hit in your journey.
     
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    Thank you everyone! Very much appreciated
     
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    You can start washing mages at lvl 120 and be fine, but I would reccomend starting to wash them at lvl 100, you can get them to lvl 120 with 2 months of NX saved up. As for "ruining" them, archmages don't see a lot of play in bossing. There's a lot of mage prejudice even when you see F/P whiting the Bean and I/L being amazing in a lot of Neo Tokyo. You're gonna have a tough time finding consistent pickup runs with them because they are not meta.

    I will go against the grain here and recommend only 2 mages, your main bishop and an I/L. Since you're gonna be leeching a ton of characters 5-6 is gonna be better than pentaleeching. It can be done with a bishop and I/L with 4 party slots leftover for your other characters. I like the I/L because it can boss in Neo Tokyo. If you don't care for that then just pick F/P for slightly better damage.

    The best money making method pre-4th job is APQ. I'd reccomend you do that until you can afford genesis 30 and MW20 and leech from lvl 90-120 for your bishop. Your time is gonna be worth more in the future so just buy the leech so you don't waste time grinding sub-optimally.

    As for washing you can still level up your characters while you wait for the vote NX to come in, just don't reset the AP points. For example, say your attacker has 300 int and zero nx. You can still put the AP points into MP even if you cannot afford to take them out. Washing can be confusing for new players so I'd suggest you read a guide or two completely.

    Once you have your 5-6 leeching setup you don't need a ton of money. You only need to be spending mesos on pots and the drops will pay for that. Once your characters are done being leeched you should have made plenty of money from the gach drops to decently fund one character. If not then you could start over and leech a brand new set of mages for the pentaleeching everyone keeps recommending.

    If you want to actually play the game make a warrior because the washing is fast. Make a bucc too because it will be done washing after your warrior but before your other attackers.
     
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    This guy created created a great guide on how to multi-mage farm efficiently, although he is from a different server.
    There are slight differences on loot rules, party commands, map spawns between servers. But the core idea is the same.


     
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    play game
     
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    If i was starting ML over from scratch, i think i would do something like this:

    1) Start voting on 6 accounts (4x bishop, 1x NL, 1x BM)
    2) Level the first bishop to 120, and then start leeching 3x new bishops, a NL, and a BM.
    3) While leeching the NL and BM, try to start funding the original bishop with some gear so that it can 2hit skeles (not too hard, just need to pass gen30 and get some bare bones int gear)
    4) Continue leeching all of them at skeles (2hit) until they all reach level 130, and then try to get gen30 on all the new bishops so that I can start multimaging vikerola
    5) Long term Multimage vikerola (occasionally selling vikerola leech / packages) and always self leech my NL and BM.
    6) Eventually as the bishops get more levels, consider leeching more bishops (if you can handle more clients), changing maps to increase income/exp (upgrading to ulu1 -> ninto -> other things that require more TMA), or investing in more attackers (leeching up more NLs to run more pink beans / multi attack [usually the best option], a paladin, or a bucc)
    7) Save up all your mesos for a perfect craven for the NL, and then start upgrading other gear as you see fit, but claw is the highest priority.
    8) Start bossing (only HT will probably be worth it, but if you get good enough, you can probably HT with a NL and multimage farm at the same time and start getting big exp progression while still making a bunch of mesos)
    9) Work my way to 2 viable end game PB setups -> Minimally [NL+Bish mule | BM + Bish Mule], but ideally invest in more NLs and get something like NL+Bish | NL + Bish | NL + BM | NL + Bish going.
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    Washing - I would ignore the challenge system ENTIRELY
    First bishop, you should wash a bit late (start at lv 120, +/- levels depending on how fast you grind up). If you level too fast, start mp washing at a later level, if you level slow, mp wash earlier. (Should end at lv 200 with like 7 to 8k clean hp)
    Bishops 2,3,4: Start mp washing at level 80 (should end at lv 200 with about 9-10k clean HP)
    NL: hp wash it to 30k potential HP
    BM: hp wash to 30k potential HP
     
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    “in another life i would be a nl main”
     
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    Any reason you chose BM over MM? Or are you using that term interchangeably with SE
     
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    bm is to nl as mm is to warriors/bucc/sair
     
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    It comes down to personal preference, theres arguments for both sides. BM + NL is better synergy than MM + NL when duo attacking though.
     
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