What classes will you make now that HP washing isn't needed?

I'm more excited to have a playable Bowmaster. Im anxiously awaiting my 10,550hp my BM is supposed to get. With equips around 11,400. My only other range char is a 30k NL Im preparing.

 

sorry but the HP challenge is only for 3rd or 4rd job so oddjobs like beginners and first jobs can't do the challenge.

 

I'm very impressed at how well the MapleLegends team has balanced the various HP Challenge thresholds across classes. I don't feel like any class comes out ahead, or behind the others in light of the new system.

In my opinion, the biggest impact is:

a.) There are many high-level characters that players had made as their first attacker, whom are going to be picked back up, as they're now much more viable end-game.

b.) This will also allow players, especially new players, to make a ranged attacker as their first character. Folks were often dissuaded from making a Night Lord, Bowmaster, or Marksman as their first attacker due to the greater overhead of washing requirements and complexity.

By that note, I guess that Night Lords, Bowmasters, and/or Marksman benefit the most from the release of the HP Challenges, but only as so as it's measured by increased ease of creation.

Personally, I still plan to wash all of my character, so the system hasn't directly impacted any of my plans, but I am very, very glad that there's some solid alternatives for new and returning players to engage back in the game!

 

get with the times grandpa its my time to shine ok go drink ur prune juice before you get angry again

 

HP Challenge class viability tier list:
S tier | DK^, Paladin^, Hero^ [All essentially reach 30k hp once you factor in level up hp and extra hp from equipment]
A tier | Bishop*, Shadower, Fire poison, Ice lightning [Bish / Shad don't need hb for all content but need very good pet hp equips, same with il/fp]
B tier | Buccaneer, Nightlord [Both of these classes still need hb, but can still be worth it because of how strong they are]
F tier | Marksman, Bowmaster, Corsair [HP challenge does not give enough hp, with corsair suffering the most, due to low avoid and potion/bullet costs.]

*Will still be a bit risky at horntail because even with hp equips you could die to a dispel + attack combo
^Will probably have an easier time doing normal hp washing compared to challenges, but nothing wrong with doing challenge on them

 

i'm not angry i just accepted that beginners and first jobs will never have other way to give HP without HP wash.

 

I would still HP wash either way.

 

I still feel HP washing is always better, and the challenge is there to "fix" characters that players are not willing to retrain. Anyone who consciously chooses the challenge over washing is just handicapping themselves in the later part of the game. Washing is a constant time investment with increasing value over time.

I'm not suggesting that washing is a good thing; rather, I feel the challenge lacks sufficient appeal over washing.

For any character I choose to play, washing will always be in the plan, even if it's a brand new account.

 

Adding to kiwiz, it also opens up certain classes as the first character that someone ever makes. So, new players joining the server can start with a Night Lord or Bow master without being as limited as they were before.

 

We can agree to disagree on this post but as someone who just wants to play for nostalgic reasons and also has a full time job, I don't wanna wait over a year to be able to play with my character, have it be do poopoo damage with 400 INT and then ALSO PAY FOR LEECH or leech it myself to leech it to level up. It's a terrible experience lol. I just wanna hang out with friends and play mushroom game

On that note I would love to make a Paladin, MM or NL next. NL have flash jump and I love flash jump. Paladins are super cool. MM look fun too!!

 

mom can we have flash jump

flash jump at home: assaulter

 

assaulter working without mobs when?.

 

I personally wouldn't go to such extremes of 400 INT either.

Through careful planning, it's possible to achieve 19k HP by level 180, including HP from equipment, with 140 INT. However, it does require some investment in preparing scrolled items to compensate for the early game, allowing you to play without the need for leeching.

Lower investment in INT does means more AP resets would be required. I'd say somewhere around 180-200 INT is a good trade off between AP usage and having enough damage to progress.

If you have 100 INT from gears and MW, you can gain about 2k HP from it at level 180.

That being said, I do agree with you. What’s important is knowing what we stand to lose, a willingness to embrace them before advancing, averting later regrets. This will ensure we have fun to the fullest moving forward with a clear understanding in advance.

 

and thats why there's a need to solve for the minimum nx per hp/mp

 

differentiate the equation to solve

 

....given a target level.

Otherwise the answer is always going to be "leech until 200"

 

I don't have many concerns about surviving bosses with the amount of HP we get from challenges (once maxed), the biggest factor is pot efficiency because who doesn't like more money?

For that reason I went challenges on my NL and saved my high NX account for my Corsair. I don't suspect a challenges NL will ever become obsolete even if perfectionism demands 30k

 

I think people are underestimating the value the challenges provide. With 12k hp at 180 it’s possible to get around 15k hp by 200 with all the good hp equips. That is 24k after hyper body, which is pretty much sufficient in most scenarios. The main crutch is that DK needs to be popular and unfortunately I rarely see any DKs when I boss and they aren’t very meta either. But staff can balance around that so it’s not such a huge deal in the long run.

Reasonable hp equips:
T10 ring: 1000
Ellin ring: 100
MoN: 300
CWK cape: 300
3 +4 pet equips with hp: 600
Level up bonuses from 20 levels: 400 (assuming 20 hp per levelup)
+3 specs with hp: 225
Event equips: 300~
Total: 3225

NLs would basically have no drawback since they just dodge. BM and MM would be quite solid since they like using MoN anyway. Corsairs have the shortest end of the stick as they would have the least HP since you usually want to opt for HTP instead of MoN and also having lower HP+HB reliance sucks when you are playing a more mechanically intensive class.

Of course, if you are just going to min max and go for perfect weapons 17 attack cape and 23 attack gloves it may not appeal to you. But for an average player 15k/24k is enough to comfortably grind 7F and participate in bossing. This is not even considering the defense rework that is also potentially coming.

 

It's less that people are underestimating the value of 15k HP and more the fact that most endgame players by now have realized 15k HP is hopelessly outdated. PB is completely unviable without HB which is already a rare commodity, and Toad and Auf are pretty iffy. NLs have huge drawbacks in not being able to cross heads in HT without risk, cutting their uptime. Any BM that uses MoN is trolling as it's a massive DPM loss. The nature of endgame fight design just makes higher HP values become incredibly valuable.