Absolve mages from their card-hunting hell

Was I the only one who used a bishop to hunt for cards? I didn't see any motivation in hunting low lv mob cards in paladin, so I farmed while leeching an fp

 

Please. Please. Please.

 

akash clone no jutsu works on mages too. 12 mages on 3 maps should do the trick

 

I thought the drop rate for non-ults were just un-nerfed? Or did that not apply to cards

 

Card hunt without using your ult.

 

I made my f/p in ~April 2018 when the monster book was released, thinking it would be a good class to 100% all of the cards. How wrong I was, not only are the mob cards harder to farm, but I can't get high level boss cards without paying bossing groups lol

Edit: Oh and Neo Tokyo is a hard wall, literally the only mobs I still need cards for because they resist all of my damage. I even tried resetting SP to use Big bang but it was too painful.

 

Ask Oradious why mage is in HT.

 

This will make card hunting service even more of a thing, which may degrade the overall card hunting experience.

Could make card visible to loot, for mobs, only to the character that did the most damage. I understand some players may not like this though.

 

I'm glad that people are finally agreeing with me that nerfing the drop rate of the class whose only role in the game is farming is bad.

 

Honestly? That's how I currently card farm on my Bishop for my NL and BM. If it's 2 platforms that can be Genesis'd all at once, I always have to consider if it's better to Shining Ray twice, even if it takes longer and mobs might spawn while doing so.

With all due respect, I personally believe I shouldn't have to think like that. Why should I have to think about balance of what skills I should use when I made a bishop literally to make my life easier with Genesis? I should just kill and expect drop rates to be the same. It's just so unintuitive. I understand that there is a balance team and staff who have thought about this issue much more than me, and I want to respect their decision. But it still doesn't make sense in my heart as I don't know what the devs know in terms of the actual drop rates, economy, player statistics, etc.

From my (a player's) point of view, I made a Bishop to cover for my NL and BM's weaknesses of no AoE and bad farming. I made these classes with the EXPECTATION that the weaknesses of my classes would be covered by other classes. I expect that my Bishop will not do as much single-target damage as my BM/NL, so I should expect my AoE/farming skills to shine. Just the mention of nerfing mage Ult's drop rates, which I perceive to be one of the strongest pros and one of my primary reasons for making a mage, puts a bad taste in my mouth, especially because I don't know how much it has been nerfed. I feel that it's similar to something like, "NL damage has been debuffed because they were too strong (they are lol), but we can't tell you how much. We just made the balance in accordance to the data we see." Even if the class still excels according to the data, the players will never know and be in constant doubt.

I'm not saying that I'm a maple god that has the solution to everything. But at the very least, I think until the admins do decide to reveal rates, it's not unfair to expect people to complain or have discussions about mage ult nerfs.

 

i would enjoy dk farming rates on mages

 

as long as you can kill like 7-8 mobs per cycle the skill is probably equal to genesis that kills like 15 per cycle. mage/dk ults are still nice for mobbing tho. idk if that deluge of gach+npcables would be great for the economy tho, might just shift more ev toward farmers

 

Idk how difficult it is to implement, but I think they should only nerf the drop rates for the gach+npcables if the concern is economy. Keep the drop rate for cards/quest items etc. Mages deserve to have some advantage in those.

 

fartsy That's good advice, ty! I think someone in the forums long time ago said that vs. archers, mage drops percentages was 60-70%, so that was my initial basis. I'll take your estimation moving forward since you've played mages for a long, long time. I trust your veteran words.

brunandes In an ideal world, I would still prefer that mages would still excel in that field with equal gach drops, and have bosses compensated a bit more so that the expected value of farmers and attackers are balanced, skewed more towards high end attackers. But I understand that economy takes time to craft and ML already has an established economy, so I strongly agree with what you say.

 

brunandes
Sorry for the double post, but here is a quick thought of a different way to solve the gach issue:
- Make it so that the lower the level of a monster, the less likely it is for a monster to drop gach/NX. Keep higher level monsters at the current gach/NX percentage.
- Have PQs reward gach/NX at a certain percentage as an end reward (to fix the imbalance of lower levels now having lower chance for gach/NX)

This solves the whole DK farming issue, since they don't have enough damage to kill 120+ units in one shot. (If they can kill Skelegons with 2 Roars, they DESERVE the gach/NX)
There is no need to adjust rates per skill, which means mages won't be frustrated regarding lack of transparency.
This also solves lack of people gathering for PQs since they are now more incentivized to do so.

Are there any downsides to this? Anyone, please let me know.